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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9175432" data-attributes="member: 23751">That's not really relevant.  Atypical wizards don't in any way prove or even indicate that wizards as a whole shouldn't be the best at arcana.  It just means that the rare dumb wizard isn't the best.This isn't the example you think it is.  It's actually irrelevant as well.  This debate isn't about doing.  It's about KNOWING and the rogue(driver) isn't going to know as much as the wizards(engineers and physicists) do about how he does what he does.  If by some rare chance one of the rogues(drivers) does know as much, it's because he got the equivalent of a diploma(picked up a feat) in the field.Except this is the opposite of what the 5e PHB says.  It says the wizard is the arcane scholar who teaches arcane secrets at universities.  And it says that the rogue is an expert at sneaking, hiding, etc.  That the mechanic doesn't match the rogue lore creates a disconnect and is therefore a mistake. It's always a mistake when lore and mechanics don't line up.No.  The marine is the rogue and the American is the wizard.I mean, you can continue to give examples that don't line up to what the PHB says about wizards, but the examples will continue to be wrong if you do that. RAW says Wizards are scholars and experts at arcana.  The mechanic like the rogue doesn't match up to that, at least not until the latest UA which finally gets it right and corrects the mistake caused by the disconnect.</blockquote>

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