Should WOTC participate in the ENnies?

[Steel_Wind]

The golden globes are awarded by the Hollywood Foreign Press association and are generally bought and paid for by the studios. Most studios won't bother buying one for their summer properties because there's no perceived value there.

While it's belaboring thr obvious, it might be said that the more similar parallel to the ENnies is neither the Academy nor the Golden Globes - but the People's Choice Awards (albeit, guided in the nominations by the critics, as it were).

 

[Cameron]

No, it's free will.

I was simply trying to point out that based on the decision to withhold entry it could be perceived that WOTC is on some sort of a "high horse", not willing to participate out of some sense of being better than the rest of the RPG publishing community, in other words a decision borne from arrogance.

My view is that WotC should enter some products and see how they do. If they win cool, if not well congratulations to the winner and we walk away planning to look to what the other guy did so well. Either way the bar gets raised and the industry is better off regardless of who wins.

You are entitled to want us bared from the awards even if they are personal reasons

How other people perceive WotC because of an action by somebody else is not really a concern of mine. To be brutally frank, if WotC gains the reputation of being arrogant as a result of that, well, *IMO* it is about time...

However, that is not the purpose here.

Because of my bias against WotC, and because this poll is clearly not about whether WotC is arrogant or not, that is why I am refraining from voting. The statement I would be making with the vote is not the one I am trying to convey. However, I cannot, in good conscience, support WotC in any way either. Hence my stance in this thread.



PS. You might, Scott, want to explore the reasons behind my anti-WotC stance instead of trying to accuse me of being arrogant, if you really want to help WotC gain a wider audience. Not that I am so important that my words mean something, mind you, but because I believe that if the most active "faces" of WotC on the internet (the mods the regulate the forums there and thus have the highest contact with the general public) are turning people off WotC products, that should be a legitimate concern by the powers that be at WotC. That is basic business sense, isn't it?

 

[Aus_Snow]

Yes. Yes, they should.

If they want to.

 

[Morrus]

PS. You might, Scott, want to explore the reasons behind my anti-WotC stance instead of trying to accuse me of being arrogant, if you really want to help WotC gain a wider audience. Not that I am so important that my words mean something, mind you, but because I believe that if the most active "faces" of WotC on the internet (the mods the regulate the forums there and thus have the highest contact with the general public) are turning people off WotC products, that should be a legitimate concern by the powers that be at WotC. That is basic business sense, isn't it?

Cameron, we appreciate that you're angry at moderation on the WotC boards, and that that emtion is causing you to vent at Scott here on EN World. That however, has two problems:

1) It's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

2) We never, never, permit people to drag arguments, problems, etc., from another board over onto EN World. If you have a problem with another messageboard, please take it up there. Under no circumstances should it affect this messageboard.

This is a long-standing and very strict view that we poor mortals trying to moderate the EN World messagebaords have had, whether that other board be RPGnet, NKL, WotC or whatever. No cross-board drama: period.

If you have any further queries abut the policy, please feel free to email me.

 

[Vocenoctum]

PS. You might, Scott, want to explore the reasons behind my anti-WotC stance instead of trying to accuse me of being arrogant,

He never said anyone else was arrogant.

He said, "What is more arrogant, purposely with-holding submissions for voting or submitting and hoping we win?"

WHat he meant was "What is more arrogant (of WotC), purposely with-holding submissions for voting or submitting and hoping we win?"

It'd help to step back and read the actual quotes, rather than letting your hatred from other places cloud what is actually said.

 

[IanB]

The sad part about this whole digression is that it appears to come from a misunderstanding; Cameron, Scott never said or implied you were arrogant. He asked which of two possible actions *by WotC* would be more arrogant (submitting, or holding themselves outside the contest.)

I'm all for WotC participating, personally, politics or no.

 

[mattcolville]

While it's belaboring thr obvious, it might be said that the more similar parallel to the ENnies is neither the Academy nor the Golden Globes - but the People's Choice Awards (albeit, guided in the nominations by the critics, as it were).

Yeah. Those aren't awards, they're marketing. It didn't occur to me that anyone thought the goal of the ENies was to act as a marketing arm for the product best able to afford it.

 

[HellHound]

Do you like plain pancakes or pancakes with blue berries? Oh yeah what's your address?

 

[mattcolville]

Yes. Yes it is.

So then why let the products that sell the most compete?

If the goal is; showcase products people might otherwise not see, don't let WotC compete.

If the goal is; award the best products, don't let the people vote. Use judges.

If the goal is; let the people decide, you don't need awards. They've already voted with their dollars and then you're just acting as the unpaid marketing wing of WotC. Or go the People's Choice/American Music Awards/MTV Awards and GET paid to do their marketing.

 

[Dextra]

Maybe the fans could nominate products for consideration? Instead of publishers nominating their own?

Or, maybe limit the submission to one or two per publisher per category.

Just to clarify, publishers do not nominate their own products. The 5 nominees in each category are selected from amongst the submissions from the publishers.

As for letting fans submit products, there is already that taken into account in the guidelines. So long as the fan(s) submit the requisite number of copies for consideration as well as have the blessing of the publisher, they can submit whatever they like.