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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6233251" data-attributes="member: 2525">And that sounds like an insulting response.  You think we're idiots, that we wouldn't verify information on a visit? That we don't talk to actual employees, and use Skype to re-verify later? That we don't get to know individuals, teach them how our systems operate, and work with them year after year to build relationships?  If you do it right, you cannot just pass it off to another factory.  If you visit, you don't do it for your health or just to ease your conscious, you do it to set up a system that will work, quality checks that work, in a factory you like with people you like.I think people's perceptions of how China operates are badly skewed.  Some things are bad, some are good.  Some companies are bad, some are good.  Like anywhere, you figure it out and you work with the good people and not the bad people.  But overall, people in China are now making money, there is a middle class, and they're starting to buy their own manufactured products.  Companies like mine are leaving in droves for Viet Nam and Cambodia because the labor prices in China are rising rapidly, and workers strike if conditions or pay are not good enough.  Average wages are rising 20% PER YEAR in China these days.  It's not really for cheap manufacturing right now (Mexico has cheaper labor than China right now - and obviously much cheaper shipping), it's because Chinese workers and managers, in my opinion, are skilled at what they do.But bottom line, don't pretend you can figure out how business works better than the people actually doing that business. You can quarterback from your coach about RPGs all you want, but don't tell me you know my business better than I know my business.</blockquote>

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