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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1422983" data-attributes="member: 5777">I dont want to have to give every npc spellcaster out there a rod of silent spell (or three) just to make up for this one rules problem.Where are these from? Bet the have a verbal component.So the spell is more useful for destroying pc's than npc's? Even then, most creatures who have spellcasting capability still cast spells.True, but then you could say that about pretty much anything. I remember when it was said about harm as well. So if harm is still a problem for you, and there is silence, and sometimes you want to use it for other things.. lots of choices, hard choices.. so this cant be a factor in helping it not be a 'problem'.Between fixing and banning entirely I'd rather fix.If you have to bring into play a 7th level spell! in order to prove that silence isnt overpowered then (when silence is only a 2nd level spell) then there is a communication problem somewhere <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Hey, I know that the spell doesnt cause problems in every game. But I have seen it cause problems before. This is from a guy who has not, and still does not for that matter, had any problem with haste 3.0. It just never caused a problem. But there were spells that were problems, like heal and harm, and silence is up there with the same broad sweeping destructive power, although it takes a little bit more thinking to get it into those positions. But then it is also 4 levels lower.Again, I'd rather change it than increase its level. Currently it is one of those sleeper broken spells. It wont always come up, but it is always lurking there waiting to help destroy some game.Grappling character or tanglefoot bag on either side will simply be able to destroy any spellcaster. Not necissarily a good or bad thing, but definately too strong for such a low level tactic. With the 20% spell failure chance instead it moves it back into a proper power level, at least imo.</blockquote>

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