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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8480141" data-attributes="member: 72555">So, I have shown that this spell cuts through legendary resists almost as fast as a monk.You have to cast a spell targeting a weaker resist than Con and have a higher save DC than the monk, both common.The monk has to hit, and either spends Ki on extra swings or on stun attempts.Assuming a generous 3/4 hit rate, they either spend 2.25 Ki for 2.25 attempts/round or spend 4 Ki for 3 attempts/round.If the target has a 1/3 chance of failing the save vs the monk, while a 1/2 chance of failing a save against the barbs caster (+1 DC, 2 save mod by targeting weaker save), the monk strips off either 0.75 per round for an average of 2.25 Ki, or 1.0 per round for an average of 4.0 Ki per round.The barbs caster gets 0.5 LR per round.&nbsp; If they fail, they get to try again.&nbsp; So they are stripping 0.75 per round at the cost of 1 &quot;real&quot; slot, 1 action, 0.5 reaction, and 0.5 first level spell slot.In the 50% of the time that they do not use barbs (because the monster failed), they can boost the monk's chances; burn another 0.5 reaction for 1/3 chance of a LR.&nbsp; The monk provides an average of 1.5 to 2.0 failed saves/round; call it half the rounds you do this.So Monk + Barbs caster is stripping 1.0 + 0.75 + 1/2 * 1/3 * 1/2 = 1.8333 stripped at the cost of 4 Ki plus 1 &quot;leveled&quot; spell plus 0.375 first level spells/round.&nbsp; A level 4 Monk can do this for 2 rounds; the Barbs full caster can probably do it longer.The Ki- efficient Monk who doesn't flurry instead does 0.75 LR/round and runs out of Ki at 2.7 LR stripped; the Barbs caster is stripping them faster than the Monk here (or the same speed if the Barbs has nobody else trying to strip LRs)....So, if Monks burn through LR, and Barbs is about the same speed, what does that say about Barbs?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8480141, member: 72555"] So, I have shown that this spell cuts through legendary resists almost as fast as a monk. You have to cast a spell targeting a weaker resist than Con [I]and[/I] have a higher save DC than the monk, both common. The monk has to hit, and either spends Ki on extra swings or on stun attempts. Assuming a generous 3/4 hit rate, they either spend 2.25 Ki for 2.25 attempts/round or spend 4 Ki for 3 attempts/round. If the target has a 1/3 chance of failing the save vs the monk, while a 1/2 chance of failing a save against the barbs caster (+1 DC, 2 save mod by targeting weaker save), the monk strips off either 0.75 per round for an average of 2.25 Ki, or 1.0 per round for an average of 4.0 Ki per round. The barbs caster gets 0.5 LR per round. If they fail, they get to try again. So they are stripping 0.75 per round at the cost of 1 "real" slot, 1 action, 0.5 reaction, and 0.5 first level spell slot. In the 50% of the time that they do [I]not[/I] use barbs (because the monster failed), they can boost the monk's chances; burn another 0.5 reaction for 1/3 chance of a LR. The monk provides an average of 1.5 to 2.0 failed saves/round; call it half the rounds you do this. So Monk + Barbs caster is stripping 1.0 + 0.75 + 1/2 * 1/3 * 1/2 = 1.8333 stripped at the cost of 4 Ki plus 1 "leveled" spell plus 0.375 first level spells/round. A level 4 Monk can do this for 2 rounds; the Barbs full caster can probably do it longer. The Ki- efficient Monk who doesn't flurry instead does 0.75 LR/round and runs out of Ki at 2.7 LR stripped; the Barbs caster is stripping them faster than the Monk here (or the same speed if the Barbs has nobody else trying to strip LRs). ... So, if Monks burn through LR, and Barbs is about the same speed, what does that say about Barbs? [/QUOTE]

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