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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8494846" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Not whenever, only when you haven't already used your reaction AND when you have not already used your reaction or won't need to AND you are within 60 feet.  If ALL of those things are true you can make an enemy reroll a passed save and more often than not it will pass its save again.It uses your reaction, the only one you can take.  Use it to try to banish a Lich or a Balor or a host of other enemies and the enemy saves again and now you can't counterspell it.  Hardly a good trade.It's slot economy is not amazing, objectively it is not really even good.  If you use it to reroll a save it means by definition you are using an extra slot to try to achieve an effect normally done using less slots.  Using the hold person as an example, you are adding a 1st and 2nd level spell to try and land a 2nd level spell.  The cost here is 1st and 1 2nd, not one 1st.  That is equivalent to a 3rd level spell slot to achieve a 2nd level effect.In terms of slot economy compare it to other 1st levels spells; the vast majority of which either always work or almost always work and those that don't almost always work still often cause partial effect.  This spell works sometimes, necessarily less than 50% statistically if you use it every time someone within range saves while you have a reaction.Except sage advice has already said you can't use it for this.You do not have a choice to do that every time.  As I noted above, you can only do it if you have a reaction available AND you are within 60' AND you have slots available.It is a defensive spell to avoid a crit but is far, far less effective at avoiding a hit, or more importantly avoiding damage in general. Shield, Absorb Elements, false life, Armor of Agathys and to be honest even protection from good and evil will all work better for avoiding damage.Here are the classes able to use the spell:1. Arcane Trickster Rogue:  Regularly uses reactions, does not have many powerful spells to pair with it.  Moreover long before an AT is getting 3rd level spells he can impose disadvantage on a save by hiding ... which he can do with a bonus action and without spending any slots and with a minimum roll of about 23 on his stealth check (assuming he got expertise in stealth).2, Eldritch Knight Fighter:  Regularly uses reaction for shield, has very limited spells known that can be filled with an enchantment and does not have powerful spells to pair with it3. Wizard and Sorcerer:  If you commonly waste reactions within 60' of a powerful enemy you are going to die quickly.4. Bard:  This is the only class with access to it that will get a ton of mileage out of it.  However Bards do not have the best offensive spells available to pair it with and lack other good reaction spells to compete with it.  That said a Bard with this in a party with a wizard could be very effective.That is not to say it is not useful or not a good spell, but it is not as OP as people make out.Fine, but then don't suggest it is more powerful than it is.</blockquote>

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