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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Captain Panda" data-source="post: 8495496" data-attributes="member: 6861845">All entirely true. My point was simply that if you focus entirely on the spell at its peak value, a lot of spells can be made to sound far worse than they are. The only reason Silvery Barbs is getting all this negative feedback right now is that it's new. New things get more scrutiny than things in the PHB. Yep! Now tell that to the people who think this spell is going to replace Shield.Here we run into a problem. If we say the bad guy isn't gonna attack at all due to Silvery Barbs, I think what you really mean is they are going to be encouraged to fail a saving throw with Silvery Barbs. In that case, it's the other spell doing the heavy lift, and that are other ways to lower their odds of success on a safe. Heightened metamagic does it for about the same price, without costing a reaction (and I keep repeating myself, but reactions for casters get more and more valuable as you level up). Eloquence bards can do it with a bonus action and a bardic inspiration, which is cheaper. Divination and Chronurgy wizards both get ways to force things to fail rather than just use a reaction to increase chances of failure.I understand it's different, and more versatile because it can also impact ability checks (something I haven't seen mentioned much, but using it immediately to roll higher initiative and then getting the reaction back because you go sooner strikes me as a very solid use of this ability), but each individual use isn't actually that strong unless you use it at a key moment, need is (sometimes they'll fail on their own), and then it actually works (sometimes they'll make it the second time). Quick note, you should only really be using Banishment if the creature you're fighting is extraplanar. Otherwise it's a pretty bad choice of spell I keep seeing get floated here, for some reason. There are lower level spells to disable a single target. Also, one of the benefits of Banishment is that it's a charisma save. It's already going to likely target a weak save. The heavy lifting being done here is being done by Banishment, not Silvery Barbs. Not really the debate this thread is meant to be focused on, but I don't agree with the notion that is commonly spread that casters are inherently fragile. I also don't agree with the base assumption that wizards being targeted by attacks means they did something wrong. I kind of assume everyone is a target.</blockquote>

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