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Silvery Barbs, how would you fix it? Does it need fixing?
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<blockquote data-quote="UngainlyTitan" data-source="post: 8495855" data-attributes="member: 28487"><p>I brought up Banishment because you and others are using it as the go to combo with Silvery Barbs in this and other threads on the topic. In your case in the context of a 7th level caster. I do not think I would even prep it as a 7th level wizard. I have at most 12 slots to prep and there are better concentration spells out there competing for attention.</p><p></p><p>I do think that Silvery Barbs is a very useful spell and may often be more useful as a reaction use then other options but not ban worthy. However, on average the other option are I think more profitable use of the one reaction per round than Silvery Barbs. </p><p>The biggest weakness of Silvery Barbs is that initial reroll. All other things being equal, a reroll of a save is not as valuable as people here are making out. </p><p>In the absence of other information, the chances are that if a creature made their save then they will make the reroll. It is most useful when you know you are targeting a poor save. It is most useful when forcing a reroll on a crit, because there you know that, that is a super special roll that is unlikely to be repeated on a reroll. It is also very useful on forcing rerolls on an ability check because there the creature is not benefiting from their proficiency bonus.</p><p>I would also use it to counter a Counterspell that forces an ability check to stop a spell. </p><p>I really do not see how you can generally rate it better than shield or Absorb Elements for damage mitigation</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngainlyTitan, post: 8495855, member: 28487"] I brought up Banishment because you and others are using it as the go to combo with Silvery Barbs in this and other threads on the topic. In your case in the context of a 7th level caster. I do not think I would even prep it as a 7th level wizard. I have at most 12 slots to prep and there are better concentration spells out there competing for attention. I do think that Silvery Barbs is a very useful spell and may often be more useful as a reaction use then other options but not ban worthy. However, on average the other option are I think more profitable use of the one reaction per round than Silvery Barbs. The biggest weakness of Silvery Barbs is that initial reroll. All other things being equal, a reroll of a save is not as valuable as people here are making out. In the absence of other information, the chances are that if a creature made their save then they will make the reroll. It is most useful when you know you are targeting a poor save. It is most useful when forcing a reroll on a crit, because there you know that, that is a super special roll that is unlikely to be repeated on a reroll. It is also very useful on forcing rerolls on an ability check because there the creature is not benefiting from their proficiency bonus. I would also use it to counter a Counterspell that forces an ability check to stop a spell. I really do not see how you can generally rate it better than shield or Absorb Elements for damage mitigation [/QUOTE]
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