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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8497178" data-attributes="member: 7030563">SB is almost irrelevant to that power.&nbsp; Wizards do that without SB, and Fireball is actually an overtuned 3rd level spell.&nbsp; Also you are going to cut the effective range of many of those spells in half or more to use it.&nbsp; Hypnotic Pattern is a 30 foot cube, but you have to be less than 60 feet from the guy who saved to use this.It can, theoretically do that.&nbsp; But it is not going to do that often in combat.&nbsp; The majority of times they make the first save, they are going to make the second as well.&nbsp; The times they fail the first save you can't use it.My Wizard actually got hammered by a lightning bolted tonight because she was foolish and took a ready action to cast a cantrip on an enemy when they emerged from darkness and did not have a ready action for absorb elements.Play it out.&nbsp; You will see.&nbsp; This is very rarely going to be a game changer in the fashion you envision.&nbsp; Will it ever happen?&nbsp; Sure it will, probably once or twice over a 20-level campaign, maybe a few more times on a battle you were going to win easily anyway.&nbsp; But probably not more that that.Now being a &quot;game changer&quot; by reversing a crit.&nbsp; Yes, that will happen fairly often.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8497178, member: 7030563"] SB is almost irrelevant to that power. Wizards do that without SB, and Fireball is actually an overtuned 3rd level spell. Also you are going to cut the effective range of many of those spells in half or more to use it. Hypnotic Pattern is a 30 foot cube, but you have to be less than 60 feet from the guy who saved to use this. It can, theoretically do that. But it is not going to do that often in combat. The majority of times they make the first save, they are going to make the second as well. The times they fail the first save you can't use it. My Wizard actually got hammered by a lightning bolted tonight because she was foolish and took a ready action to cast a cantrip on an enemy when they emerged from darkness and did not have a ready action for absorb elements. Play it out. You will see. This is very rarely going to be a game changer in the fashion you envision. Will it ever happen? Sure it will, probably once or twice over a 20-level campaign, maybe a few more times on a battle you were going to win easily anyway. But probably not more that that. Now being a "game changer" by reversing a crit. Yes, that will happen fairly often. [/QUOTE]

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