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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6181435" data-attributes="member: 48965">Cool. Though it still doesn't address why a competent person can't slip and fall when climbing... or why that happening is inherently &quot;silly&quot;... or why this isn't just as silly... &quot;DOPE!!! (headpalm)that goofball just loosened the brickwork for everyone else... even though he's a &quot;competent&quot; climber...So&nbsp; the fiction is being forced to conform to the mechanics... every wall the PC's encounter as part of a skill challenge has something different about it that makes it harder to climb than a regular wall... Uhm, ok... this doesn't seem far fetched, but slipping and falling is considered silly.You realize in this narrative he didn't fail right?&nbsp; He actually succeeded in traversing the climb... You also realize from a mechanical perspective the chances for anyone else climbing are still the same, not any harder, even though you've decided to change the fiction of the wall (I guess now fiction and mechanics are separate)... if the brickwork has been loosened why is the DC the same?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Refresh my memory again, where in the 4e core books does it state that &quot;failing forward&quot; is necessary for SC's or even a part of the game proper...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6181435, member: 48965"] Cool. Though it still doesn't address why a competent person can't slip and fall when climbing... or why that happening is inherently "silly"... or why this isn't just as silly... "DOPE!!! (headpalm)that goofball just loosened the brickwork for everyone else... even though he's a "competent" climber... So the fiction is being forced to conform to the mechanics... every wall the PC's encounter as part of a skill challenge has something different about it that makes it harder to climb than a regular wall... Uhm, ok... this doesn't seem far fetched, but slipping and falling is considered silly. You realize in this narrative he didn't fail right? He actually succeeded in traversing the climb... You also realize from a mechanical perspective the chances for anyone else climbing are still the same, not any harder, even though you've decided to change the fiction of the wall (I guess now fiction and mechanics are separate)... if the brickwork has been loosened why is the DC the same? Refresh my memory again, where in the 4e core books does it state that "failing forward" is necessary for SC's or even a part of the game proper... [/QUOTE]

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