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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6181712" data-attributes="member: 48965">But again the rules for SC's don't address this partial successes for a non-genuinely bad roll (which again is total DM fiat), this is something you are adding to SC's (which is fine and good but not attributable to the rules).  I thought the disonance was attributed to the fact that the wall was exceptionally brittle... if not what was the point of that narrative?I can agree that it is a back and forth... but your conditions for the mechanical outcomes are not a part of the SC rules.  And note I'm not saying they are bad or wrong, only that you are presenting them as if they are in the DMG's rules for SC's and they aren't. You claimed he failed the SC and didn't fail the specific task... not sure how what you're stating above addresses that??? As for A SC being in a between state, it's not... a skill challenge is in the same neutral state of non-resolution that a skill check is in before someone actually rolls the die. Until the final success or failure is accrued... you have not partially succeeded and you have not partially failed because until that last roll none of the previously gained successes or failures affect what you roll next and you are simply in an unresolved state.I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here... of course a skill challenge completely failed or completely successful will be different... in one you haven't achieved your goal and in the other you have.</blockquote>

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