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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6182723" data-attributes="member: 48965">Yes but in your example the check's outcome is very much tied to the individual task. He is bluffing the cyclops to free his men... he succeeds and his men are freed.&nbsp; In this example the outcome of his bluffing of the cyclops was not that the wind picked up and his journey became easier (that would be a focus on the overall SC as opposed to the task).&nbsp; It also wasn't narrated as him getting his men back but half of them are dead (I mean if a failed roll can be narrated as a successful attempt, why can't a successful roll be narrated as a failure??).Now the other point some people are claiming is that this means he has partially succeeded in the SC, but I don't see it that way since getting back his men has nothing to do with whether the set goal of the success state of the SC is attained (Unless of course it is the final success that decides it).&nbsp; It also does not mean he has a &quot;partial success&quot; since his goal is not to free his men but to return home and that is a binary outcome, either he does or he doesn't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6182723, member: 48965"] Yes but in your example the check's outcome is very much tied to the individual task. He is bluffing the cyclops to free his men... he succeeds and his men are freed. In this example the outcome of his bluffing of the cyclops was not that the wind picked up and his journey became easier (that would be a focus on the overall SC as opposed to the task). It also wasn't narrated as him getting his men back but half of them are dead (I mean if a failed roll can be narrated as a successful attempt, why can't a successful roll be narrated as a failure??). Now the other point some people are claiming is that this means he has partially succeeded in the SC, but I don't see it that way since getting back his men has nothing to do with whether the set goal of the success state of the SC is attained (Unless of course it is the final success that decides it). It also does not mean he has a "partial success" since his goal is not to free his men but to return home and that is a binary outcome, either he does or he doesn't. [/QUOTE]

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