Slaad Lords... Archslaadi?

[BOZ]

I need to identify all the sources that these beings have appeared in (Ssendam, Ygorl, Chourst, and Rennbuu). Can you help me?

 

[Pants]

Ssendam and Ygorl first appeared in the 1e Fiend Folio and were later updated to 2e in an issue of Dragon (the actual number escapes me at the moment). Chourst and Rennbuu appeared for the first time (statted up I mean) in that issue.

 

[Shemeska]

They also all appear in 'On Hallowed Ground', and there's reference to the Slaad Lords in 'Tales of the Infinite Staircase'. Somewhere there's a reference to Chourst running rampant through Mechanus on a whim till Primus intervened directly, but I can't recall which source that came from.

The best info appears in that Dragon magazine article by Ed Bonny, 'Dragon's Bestiary: The Lords of Chaos'. Dragon 221 I believe.

 

[Alzrius]

They also all appear in 'On Hallowed Ground'

By "appear", Shemmy means they were all mentioned, though not given any stats.

Somewhere there's a reference to Chourst running rampant through Mechanus on a whim till Primus intervened directly, but I can't recall which source that came from.

The best info appears in that Dragon magazine article by Ed Bonny, 'Dragon's Bestiary: The Lords of Chaos'. Dragon 221 I believe.

IIRC, the mention about Chourst in Mechanus was in the article.

Don't forget Bazim-Gorag, from the adventure "Prison of the Firebringer" in Dungeon #101.

 

[Shemeska]

Don't forget Bazim-Gorag, from the adventure "Prison of the Firebringer" in Dungeon #101.

Eh. Depends if you consider him an actual Slaadi Lord or something else. He's CE, not CN, and that really bugs me for obvious reasons.

Would you include Baalzebul if you were writing up something on unique Archons? Unlikely, and you wouldn't continue to call him an archon due to that fall. But that's just me. I don't consider Bazim-Gorag to be a Slaadi, at least not anymore, given that he's CE and not a true exemplar of raw CN chaos.

 

[Alzrius]

Eh. Depends if you consider him an actual Slaadi Lord or something else. He's CE, not CN, and that really bugs me for obvious reasons.

Would you include Baalzebul if you were writing up something on unique Archons? Unlikely, and you wouldn't continue to call him an archon due to that fall. But that's just me. I don't consider Bazim-Gorag to be a Slaadi, at least not anymore, given that he's CE and not a true exemplar of raw CN chaos.

Be that as it may, he is a slaad...hence why he's called a slaad lord. Baalzebul isn't an archon anymore - he's a devil. Bazim-Gorag has no such change in status.

 

[Mercule]

Be that as it may, he is a slaad...hence why he's called a slaad lord. Baalzebul isn't an archon anymore - he's a devil. Bazim-Gorag has no such change in status.

I think the point was that what's good for the goose (Beelzebul) is good for the gander (Bazim-Gorag) and that either both should be considered different, or neither.

Makes sense, but I haven't read the offending item, so can't really comment too much.

 

[Shemeska]

Be that as it may, he is a slaad...hence why he's called a slaad lord. Baalzebul isn't an archon anymore - he's a devil. Bazim-Gorag has no such change in status.

And I'd argue that Bazim should have had such a change along the lines of Triel when he became Baalzebul. Bazim isn't a Slaadi in terms of his goals and method of action, and he should be wandering the Abyss, not Limbo (or the prime material as it might be).

He hungers to spread chaos through unchecked destruction, murder, woe - and fire.

That's the intentions and creed of an exemplar of pure chaos? *eyebrow* Plus his three most powerful servants are all CE. Not CN, but CE. *eyebrow again*

I'm sorry, but we should label 'ol two headed frogboy as a Tanar'ri and be done with it. He's as much a Slaadi as Baalzebul is an archon.

Gorag's continued existance also seems to be just barely tolerated by Ygorl and Ssendam, they do not seem to approve of his definition of chaos, and its made clear that either of them is significantly more powerful than he is.

 

[Alzrius]

That's the intentions and creed of an exemplar of pure chaos? *eyebrow*

It doesn't seem that much different from Ygorl, who seems to feel that death spreads chaos.

Beyond that, I can see where you're going, and I'm conceding the arguement (though not the point). I just don't see it as that major a change...I don't think this necessarily unbecomes him as a slaad lord.

Gorag's continued existance also seems to be just barely tolerated by Ygorl and Ssendam, they do not seem to approve of his definition of chaos, and its made clear that either of them is significantly more powerful than he is.

Where does it talk about his relationship to the other slaad lords? Is that in Champions of Ruin?

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Eh. Depends if you consider him an actual Slaadi Lord or something else. He's CE, not CN, and that really bugs me for obvious reasons.

Would you include Baalzebul if you were writing up something on unique Archons? Unlikely, and you wouldn't continue to call him an archon due to that fall. But that's just me. I don't consider Bazim-Gorag to be a Slaadi, at least not anymore, given that he's CE and not a true exemplar of raw CN chaos.

I'm unfamiliar with the Slaad Lords, but there are already slaad that are CE...the Death Slaad. Indeed, it's always seemed to me that the older and more powerful a slaad becomes, the closer he moves toward evil, until at last he moves into true CE when he becomes a Death Slaad. Are the epic-level White Slaad CE as well? That'd only further cement the idea....