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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 426780" data-attributes="member: 834"><p>1 - I want to assure you that I wasn't trolling you. My definition of Cowardice, which is basically the dictionnary definition, really differs from yours, that much seems obvious. </p><p></p><p>2 - Yes, this is in part a König reference and I had it in mind when I wrote it. I meant in a more general sense but I certainly thought about it. Sasha ain't vasili's son but for fictional purpose he plays the same role.</p><p></p><p>Now, how can you say König is a coward? There are a lot of epithet that can be attached to König and a lot of them are pejorative but I don't see cowardice.</p><p></p><p>Do you see him show fear even once in the movie? Even in this instant when he knows he's about to die he remains steadfast. He was <em>ordered</em> to leave Russia and yet he refused to do so. What more excuse than a direct order would a coward need to avoid a confrontation? </p><p></p><p>The crux of cowardice is that cowards seek to avoid confrontation. That can never be said of König.</p><p></p><p>And you have to admit that toward the end of the movie, it was Vasilli who was affraid of him. In fact he shows true courage by going out again and again against König despite his fear but toward but eventually it isn't obvious that he still has it in him to do it again. The news of Sasha's death reach him and forces his hand.</p><p></p><p>Your second example of killing defenseless people <em>because</em> they are defenseless is closer to cowardice, especially if the killer tries to flee the inevitable confrontations that will ensues from his actions.</p><p></p><p>But König didn't kill Sasha because he was defenseless. He killed him because it was useful to his purpose. He'd have killed any Russian soldiers if he'd thought/knew that Vassili's attachment to this soldier would provoke the desired reaction. Heck, he <em>has</em> killed several soldiers who were close comrades of Vasilli. But in the end only Sasha's death could insure the final confrontation he seeked.</p><p></p><p>I want to make it clear that I'm not glorifying König. He's cold and ruthless, most likely as a sideeffect of his son's death but he probably wasn't the warmest fellow to start with. He's obssessive and clearly doesn't have much to fill his existence beside the Hunt. It's probably why he wouldn't let go of Vasilli despite his orders. But he was <em>NOT</em> a coward. He never feared Vasilli even though he always understood he might die (There's no look of disbelief on his face when he his bested at the very end). He never tried to avoid the confrontation. He did everything in his power to make sure the ''wolf would come''. </p><p></p><p>He was a very resolute man which is the antithesis of a cowardly man.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 426780, member: 834"] 1 - I want to assure you that I wasn't trolling you. My definition of Cowardice, which is basically the dictionnary definition, really differs from yours, that much seems obvious. 2 - Yes, this is in part a König reference and I had it in mind when I wrote it. I meant in a more general sense but I certainly thought about it. Sasha ain't vasili's son but for fictional purpose he plays the same role. Now, how can you say König is a coward? There are a lot of epithet that can be attached to König and a lot of them are pejorative but I don't see cowardice. Do you see him show fear even once in the movie? Even in this instant when he knows he's about to die he remains steadfast. He was [i]ordered[/i] to leave Russia and yet he refused to do so. What more excuse than a direct order would a coward need to avoid a confrontation? The crux of cowardice is that cowards seek to avoid confrontation. That can never be said of König. And you have to admit that toward the end of the movie, it was Vasilli who was affraid of him. In fact he shows true courage by going out again and again against König despite his fear but toward but eventually it isn't obvious that he still has it in him to do it again. The news of Sasha's death reach him and forces his hand. Your second example of killing defenseless people [i]because[/i] they are defenseless is closer to cowardice, especially if the killer tries to flee the inevitable confrontations that will ensues from his actions. But König didn't kill Sasha because he was defenseless. He killed him because it was useful to his purpose. He'd have killed any Russian soldiers if he'd thought/knew that Vassili's attachment to this soldier would provoke the desired reaction. Heck, he [i]has[/i] killed several soldiers who were close comrades of Vasilli. But in the end only Sasha's death could insure the final confrontation he seeked. I want to make it clear that I'm not glorifying König. He's cold and ruthless, most likely as a sideeffect of his son's death but he probably wasn't the warmest fellow to start with. He's obssessive and clearly doesn't have much to fill his existence beside the Hunt. It's probably why he wouldn't let go of Vasilli despite his orders. But he was [i]NOT[/i] a coward. He never feared Vasilli even though he always understood he might die (There's no look of disbelief on his face when he his bested at the very end). He never tried to avoid the confrontation. He did everything in his power to make sure the ''wolf would come''. He was a very resolute man which is the antithesis of a cowardly man. [/QUOTE]
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