[slightly OT] what is Aragon's STR? (possible spoilers)

ROFL!!! I'm glad my group isn't the only one who thinks about this kinda stuff after the movie. I know if the party *I* DM were the heroes in LOTR, they'd get nothing done. After the first movie, my players were saying "...and they didn't even loot the bodies! It would have only taken a few rounds." and so on. They're also disappointed in Gandalf, especially when he was looking down on the orc and goblin army during the seige, and he DIDN'T cast a fireball. What kind of wizard is he, anyway? He doesn't seem to actually HAVE that many spells. :D


Chris
 

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As I said before in another thread, the reason Gandalf is so powerful when he comes back in TTT is becuase he killed the balrog by himself, got all the XP for himself, LOL ;)
 


Once Aragorn found the hobbit tracks (an excellent Track check) and the cut rope (a good Search check), the rest seemed pretty obvious to me. I don't think any of this was beyond the ability of a character with, say, +15 to Wilderness Lore and +10 to Search, especially because they probably COULD take 10 at the battle site.

I agree with the idea that the characters are epic, but not "epic level" for the most part. All those guys tended to die fighting Balrogs during the First Age... the Fellowship was larger than life but not THAT much larger! I'd say the only two "epic level" good guys were Gandalf and Galadriel (Elrond is close). She certainly gave an effective demonstration to Frodo about why he shouldn't offer the Ring up to every powerful good guy he meets!

BTW, was it my imagination or did Aragorn call that elf leader in Helm's Deep "Elladan"? Did they just kill off a son of Elrond?!
 

Squire James said:
BTW, was it my imagination or did Aragorn call that elf leader in Helm's Deep "Elladan"? Did they just kill off a son of Elrond?!
Yeah, I think so. I'd need to watch it again, though, to be sure. And it was most likely either one of the brothers or Glorfindel. Sad as it is to loose a son of Elrond, seeing someone who was able to take down a Balrog die to some orcs would be worse, so I'm kind of hoping it was Elladan...

Though, Halma was one of the parts that really got me. I was thinking to myself "Wonder if that's Halma" after seeing him in a few closer shots. And then one of the other men of the kings house calls him Halma, and I'm like "Yep. He's so dead." Not 30 seconds later he was warg food.

EDIT: Though note the lack of a silver star of any sort... that's the sort of detail the're rather good with, too.
 
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To get to the original question:
"what is Aragorn's STR?"
in DnD terms I estimate he is at @14-16 myself.
Based on the fact that he is not overly buff, (in fact- with the insane carrying capacity of DnD Str stats a Str=18 charater would be pretty ripped, Conan- IMHO, but that is not important.)
and also the way he fights in combat.
He doesn't carry an over-abundance of equipment, and he usually fights with his sword in both hands; but does sometimes use two weapons, including his fist.
He must be getting enough of a bonus to make it worth while to use a second weapon or a two-handed grip, alternating between the two as the situation presents itself.

Also Gimli's weight is hard to pin but his regular armor must weigh less than 25lbs- because of the Chainshirt he is goofing around with before the battle, complaining there is not enough time to resize it. If he were wearing armor better than chain he wouldn't have worried about it.
Unless he was just messing around. He was pretty funny in this 'episode'. I would kind of guess he was wearing studded leather armor maybe? So either that or he was just goofing off.
Gimili may not be as heavy as he could seem.

In comparrison I would figure Boromir's strength to have been at @17; as he tends to use both a sword and shield.
Since he is not picking up a large bonus for using his sword two handed he decied to use a shield most of the time. IF he wear Str18 he would have used it 2 handed all the time to get his full evenly divided Str bonus! ;)
He seems to be using a bastard sword and in the 'platinum' version -on one of the bonus discs- one of the guys (I believe from "WETA"(?) -who designed and forged the weapons) says that Boromir's sword is "a strong man's sword, it has a wide heavy blade and can be gripped with one or two hands." It was also perfectly balanced so I would say master crafted Bastard sword.
I would imagine Lurtz's Str to be @18? he was pretty buff, and of course all the uruk-hai are.

With regards to tracking-
Well the Uruk-hai seem to wear leather armor, breast-plates, or banded armor. Mostly breastplate I think- I belive someone (Legolas durring the start of Helms Deep?) in the movie notes that
the uruk-hai wear heavy armor- he could only mean the actual army before them though,and not the war party from earlier.
So they would be moving at a decent pace.
Say they do wear breastplates but they have the Run Feat and Endurance Feat and it seems to be the regular orcs that get tired when they stop more than the Uruk-hai being tired and they only wear leather and studded leather.
Now the 3 heroes are trying to let Gimli keep up at about the same pace (Move 20) as the Uruk-hai and so it is hard to gain on them, At times Aragorn and Legolas run on ahead and Legolas can get sight of the group later.
As has been stated they would be on mostly firm ground (DC15) and there are @15- or so- of them(medium sized), so that is a -5 to DC.
They are just under 24 hours away and there has been no rain and visibility is good. The Uruk are certainly not trying to hide their tracks. There is no game mechanic to show the will of Saruman and I don't think that anything shows he is tampering with the tracking.
Now if Aragorn put skill points to Wilderness lore at each level and is 6th level he would have a skill rating of [9+(Wis,say +2)]=
a rank of 11.
So we are looking at DC10 vs. a +11 rank bonus.
He could be moving at half normal speed off and on, they start out just several minutes after the Uruk-hai nab the hobbits yet end up being almost a day behind...
Also when they go to the battle sight I don't hink Aragorn is picturing the scenes in his minds-eye. It seems to me he is noting the tracks, and such, and making sense of what he sees and then we are being shown what Actually happened. He doesn't say "Pippen knelt here and cut his ropes on the fallen axe." He says "the bonds were cut". So anyhow I think he is seeing what the tracks are telling him, but on camera We are seeing how the scene actually played out.
Like the dagger sheath the orc grabs, I don't think Aragorn necesarily envisioned how the orc got it, I think "P.J." just showed Us.
 
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Destil said:
Yeah, I think so. I'd need to watch it again, though, to be sure. And it was most likely either one of the brothers or Glorfindel. Sad as it is to loose a son of Elrond, seeing someone who was able to take down a Balrog die to some orcs would be worse, so I'm kind of hoping it was Elladan...


Nah, that was Haldor. (And he didn't die in the books. Nor were there elves at Helm's Deep.)
 

ConcreteBuddha said:


Nah, that was Haldor. (And he didn't die in the books. Nor were there elves at Helm's Deep.)

Yep, it was Haldir. If you go back & watch FotR you'll recognize him as the Lothlorien elf who mentions that "the dwarf breathes so loud, we could've shot him in the dark."

True, there were no elves at Helm's deep and Haldir (afaik) never dies. It's really a minor point considering all the other changes Jackson made. For instance, wtf was up with Faramir?

My guess is, Elladan & Elrohir will show up in RotK if they show up at all, though they may very well end up being replaced by Arwen. I sincerely hope Jackson doesn't completely cut out the Grey Company and the Paths of the Dead. That would suck.
 
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