Slip and slide

[summonedmonkey]

Ok, maybe its the fact that I ate way too much Amish cheese today, but I'm having a hard time seeing anywhere in the rules any bit about forced movement as it pertains to really, really big creatures. Can my halfling - or even for that matter my big buff warforged - use a power to slide an Ancient Red Dragon? Are there any size limits on forced movement? I know you can't force them to squeeze into smaller spaces, but me no find any lil' inkling on this matter. Are my epic level duders going to be able to slide/push/pull the Tarrasque this way and that?

 

[Traken]

Yup, there's no size limits to forced movement.

That said, it is a reduced effect against larger creatures. If you can push a creature 3 squares, that's 300% for medium, but only 75% for Gargantuan. Also, in order to fall or anything, the whole creature must be pushed off the cliff, etc.

 

[summonedmonkey]

cool with me, thanks, I never looked at it that way, with the inherit proportional size thing goin' on...but it works...now to make a scarred battlefield with Gargantuan-sized pit traps...

 

[Anax]

Some powers also apply size-limits to the targets that their movement effects can act on. For example, Tide of Iron limits the effect to creatures up to one size category larger than you. This makes sense, since the flavor of the poweris that you are overpowering your opponent and knocking them back.

Some other powers, such as the rogue exploit Trick Strike or the wizard spell Thunderwave have no such limitations. Again, this makes sense. Trick Strike's flavor is that it works by manipulating the movements of the enemy. You provoke him to move exactly how you want him to move. Thunderwave pushes enemies back via arcane power, and is not limited to mere humanoid strength.

On the other side, there are some creatures that are resistant or immune to pushes, pulls, and/or slides. (There is only one example of each in the MM, but it sets a precedent.)

It is easy to imagine adding a feat that increases the distance your powers may move enemies. Likewise, it's pretty easy to imagine the converse.

And as Traken point out: Sure, you can make the Tarrasque move around. But honestly? It doesn't care.

 

[summonedmonkey]

Cool stuff, thanks to both youse guys fer the clarification...and the Tarrasque might come off as not caring, but deep down, I think he's just misunderstood. A little tenderness....