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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7366077" data-attributes="member: 4348">I like 4e overall.  I like the system.  Too much of a good thing though.  I had my main character at the time, but because I was the Lone Player I also had 2 other characters I was in charge of who were my henchmen.  My son also had an NPC so we had a 4 character party.  As I didn't have the cards I had to write all my powers and such on paper and keep track of it that way (Don't have the character builder).  One character is fine, but three was a bit overkill for me, to the point that I was sick of it, at least for now.  I think this topic has morphed into something a bit more interesting.  Fathers and sons have difficulties in many ways and I think there are those who have fantastic relationships with their sons, and those who have troubled relationships.My and this son always had difficulties in many ways.  It may be that I was a bad father when he was growing up.  I focused more on business and was mostly out of the house a LOT when he was growing up.  My daughter was always great getting along with, we always saw eye to eye, but my son and I had difficulties.  The things he really liked we bonded over though.  He loved comic books and RPGs.  It was one area we had in common (and still do.  I went to see Black Panther when it came out with him).   It's probably because he's more like his mother and my daughter is more like me in many ways.  That means he's far more handsome than I ever was, but he also has a stubborn streak and hates change.  His mother thinks the opposite, that it may be that we are too much alike and so we both have slightly aggressive tendencies which conflict at times.I try to show him that I love him though, the best I can.  I've made plenty of mistakes though.  I think there are many who have fathers that make mistakes, similar to what I have, but I think that for many of them, they have the same thoughts.  We aren't perfect and have probably done some things that aren't all that great, but we are doing the best we can.  WE still love them.I do think it's important to discuss this type of stuff though.  I know that I directly influenced my son in his RPG gaming.  We literally are very different but for some reason he really enjoyed RPGs and it was an area where we could talk and bond over to a degree.  I think that there are many sons and fathers that have difficulties, but we are very loathe to talk about it or discuss it with others.  Sometimes though, the best thing that we can do is to share our experiences with others so that they know what is a good thing to do and what is a terrible thing to do.Update on the progress of 5e.  So, he's taken the filebox with the 4e books out of storage and it's next to the shelf, but the 4e books are not on the shelf again.  When I saw him this afternoon he told me he was going to play 5e, but he's not ready to DM yet so he's joining up with the weekly group playing 5e.  He had already made a character and asked if it was okay.  I said, well...let me see...normally I like characters being rolled up in front of me.  He was afraid the stats were too high...so I took a look.  He had a 12, 13, 13, 12, 14, 15.  I said, the character was fine (and inwardly laughed that he was afraid that I would think he cheated on his rolls.  It's low enough that I'm not too concerned, even if his stats do give a nice overall bonus).  He created a Dragonborn Wizard and seems excited to join with the rest of us this week in our weekly game.</blockquote>

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