So...How are Sales of 4E Product?


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dajr said:
And google putting it in the top 25 books of 2008. No matter how you slice it, that is not just baked potatoes.

Those are some good sales, to be sure...but...

Me said:
Initial sales of D&D will almost always be very high....They could have taken FATAL and slapped D&D on the cover and it probably would've broken sales records
 


Lets make sure we're 100% clear on where this debate stands:

Evidence for 4e selling well: All relevant evidence in existence.
Evidence for some nebulous, future collapse of 4e: None.
 

Further, in my particular case, which is far from unique, I bought a second PHB because one was just not enough. Fatal with D&D slapped on it would not have gotten me to do that.

Fatal with D&D pasted on the cover, after sales like this, would have lots of 4e books in the used book stores, collecting dust. It hasn't, because, I'll bet, that many of those books are being used.

I'm not sure I understand where your coming from saying that Fatal with D&D on it would even be a vital product, not to mention the top selling RPG.
 

Lets make sure we're 100% clear on where this debate stands:

Evidence for 4e selling well: All relevant evidence in existence.
Evidence for some nebulous, future collapse of 4e: None.

Well, sure, if you want to go and use things like facts and evidence, how inconvenient.
 


Further, in my particular case, which is far from unique, I bought a second PHB because one was just not enough. Fatal with D&D slapped on it would not have gotten me to do that.

Fatal with D&D pasted on the cover, after sales like this, would have lots of 4e books in the used book stores, collecting dust. It hasn't, because, I'll bet, that many of those books are being used.

I'm not sure I understand where your coming from saying that Fatal with D&D on it would even be a vital product, not to mention the top selling RPG.

I think what he's saying is that D&D as a brand name would be a strong seller no matter what is between the covers. A new edition of D&D is pretty much going to sell like hot cakes no matter what.

Also I'm not sure because alot of books were sold that theyre being used. I bought the gift set from amazon, but I'm not a 4E fan at all. I did want to give the game a fair shake and have my own materials when I did so. But as of right now the gift set sits on my gaming shelf, right next to my GURPS, HERO SYSTEM and M&M materials. I ran one game of 4E and probably wont run another.

The games selling great for WOTC isnt really news, what I'm more interested in is the longevity of the game, i.e how many of the people who bought the game are actually playing and enjoying the game and will be doing so in the years to come.
 

ShinHakkaider,

I get that a lot of books will sit on shelves. I get that D&D would sell a lot even if it was fatal. What I don't think is being understood is that the sales numbers are FAR past that expectation.

Around here we use to have only one store running RPGA games, it's expanded to two other stores and a few more days of the month, and it still may not be enough for everyone that wants to play.

I don't see the books showing up around here in the used market. If it was Fatal with D&D slapped on it would you have even kept your copy? I sure would not have.

What in the name of the scintillating stars would have to happen for some people to recognize that 4e is more, maybe much more, than 'just' a game, with D&D slapped on it, selling as expected?

It's getting a little ridiculous.
 

What in the name of the scintillating stars would have to happen for some people to recognize that 4e is more, maybe much more, than 'just' a game, with D&D slapped on it, selling as expected?

It's getting a little ridiculous.

For me to see it actually selling well in my area, especially so for books beyond the core PHB/DMG/MM. At least in my area, it hasn't made a gigantic splash from when I've talked about it with a friend of mine who works at the game store I frequent, though it has managed to royally alienate just about every FR fan he and I know.

We can compare anecdotes all day long about our own demographic bubbles and if 4e is or isn't doing well therein, but without hard sales figures for various books we can't draw solid conclusions at this stage.
 

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