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So this is how D&D 5e dies, a beautiful start only to die in disgrace because of mismanagement. RIP 5e
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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8898545" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Obviously huh? From this it sounds like the 3E OA was worse than the 1E. I'll have to look it up some time, wow.</p><p></p><p>I haven't to admit I wasn't aware of much kerfuffle at the time.</p><p></p><p>What does that mean in this context, like the rules or the approach? Presumably the rules?</p><p></p><p>That won't happen any time soon but I expect that during 1D&D they'll essentially make the books irrelevant by updating 1D&D's rules often enough that the books get out of date/sync in the way they so extremely carefully avoided in 5E.</p><p></p><p>On the flipside I expect 1D&D's books to be more expensive-looking (and probably price-wise but I actually agree with your long-ago position that they can excuse increasing the price by $10 or so), and just generally more attractive because their role is as much conversation-starter and lifestyle identifier as usuable game book (nothing entirely wrong with that of course).</p><p></p><p>I appreciate the straightforward acknowledgement that there are limits, and some of yours sound like they may be closer in than mine in some regards. Massive rules-changes wouldn't have made me drop D&D. Also, I think you started with 3E right? So you haven't had to see how bad it was in the '90s before the OGL (I literally know someone IRL who got a C&D from TSR). Even if no-one signs the OGL 1.1./2.0, legal advice is so much better now I think people will manage to support 1D&D without a licence.</p><p></p><p>But you pointed out the real solution to all this a while back - just let people sign a licence to get on Beyond! It can be as restrictive as you like! Issue a statement saying "Unless you do this, we disavow you" and give those people who a sign a nice official-looking logo. Take 30% of the sales! Everyone's a winner!</p><p></p><p>I think this is part of why I'm SO annoyed about this.</p><p></p><p>It's such an easy problem to solve, and WotC turned into a huge mess, just totally unnecessarily. Like the 25% cut, turns out they didn't even care. So why insist on it?! Why not be reasonable in the first place?</p><p></p><p>Arrrghghhh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8898545, member: 18"] Obviously huh? From this it sounds like the 3E OA was worse than the 1E. I'll have to look it up some time, wow. I haven't to admit I wasn't aware of much kerfuffle at the time. What does that mean in this context, like the rules or the approach? Presumably the rules? That won't happen any time soon but I expect that during 1D&D they'll essentially make the books irrelevant by updating 1D&D's rules often enough that the books get out of date/sync in the way they so extremely carefully avoided in 5E. On the flipside I expect 1D&D's books to be more expensive-looking (and probably price-wise but I actually agree with your long-ago position that they can excuse increasing the price by $10 or so), and just generally more attractive because their role is as much conversation-starter and lifestyle identifier as usuable game book (nothing entirely wrong with that of course). I appreciate the straightforward acknowledgement that there are limits, and some of yours sound like they may be closer in than mine in some regards. Massive rules-changes wouldn't have made me drop D&D. Also, I think you started with 3E right? So you haven't had to see how bad it was in the '90s before the OGL (I literally know someone IRL who got a C&D from TSR). Even if no-one signs the OGL 1.1./2.0, legal advice is so much better now I think people will manage to support 1D&D without a licence. But you pointed out the real solution to all this a while back - just let people sign a licence to get on Beyond! It can be as restrictive as you like! Issue a statement saying "Unless you do this, we disavow you" and give those people who a sign a nice official-looking logo. Take 30% of the sales! Everyone's a winner! I think this is part of why I'm SO annoyed about this. It's such an easy problem to solve, and WotC turned into a huge mess, just totally unnecessarily. Like the 25% cut, turns out they didn't even care. So why insist on it?! Why not be reasonable in the first place? Arrrghghhh [/QUOTE]
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