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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorgoroth" data-source="post: 6113012" data-attributes="member: 6674889">You're telling me you've never seen a munchkin paladin only interested in loot? Who'll steal the magic plate from his grandfather's tomb? Or argue with others in the group for more gold to compensate for the magic items they couldn't use? I've seen it plenty, and not just from kids. Just yesterday I saw a supposedly LG character do exactly that, and the DM was like, you realize stealing and then covering up your crime is unlawful, right? If that continues, the DM can only force an alignment change since he was a fighter, but if he was a paladin playing like that, he should have fallen. I've seen many people with good intentions playing paladins and in the end, being nothing more than selfish grave robbers. Why have a code if there's no enforcement of it? No penalty for breaking it? "Anyone can take a reservation, it's holding the reservation.""I think I know what a reservation is Mr Seinfeld...""I don't think you do"Permetron, what you don't account for is the foibles of the players in D&D, esp kids but even many adults I've seen, play paladins not only unlawful, but quite often borderline tyrants, demanding peasants do this and that in exchange for their "protection". From what I gather your POV, and maybe I'm misinterpreting this, is that since you are a good paladin player, that everyone else is equally proficient and would never even risk breaking the code, thus there is no reason for fallen paladinhood or atonement. You would be wrong in that case. Paladins are currently weaker in combat AFAICT than fighters in Next, and their spells don't really compensate for their oath. But then, since there is no penalty for violating it, anyone can really just do whatever they want in-game and we are back to the 4e "everything but your combat power cards are mere fluff". This I disagree with totally.</blockquote>

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