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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6114255" data-attributes="member: 6696971">I don't want these questions at my table because they are just flat out not simple.&nbsp; The context for understanding &quot;good&quot;, its effects and the ability to apply that wisdom gained to future action has many vectors:- temporal; reactionary or long-view- spatial; micro or macro- utility; pragmatism or idealismThen you have to consider the actor's acumen at forecasting; probability modelling and predictive analysis.&nbsp; Each of these will come into play when examining actions, the understanding by the actor of the implications of their actions and the accountability of the actor for the outcomes.&nbsp; You can have all manner of deviations within your group on something such as &quot;lying to save lives&quot; depending upon those vectors and the confidence in forecasting outcomes.&nbsp; This isn't even including the added murkiness of tribalism and confirmation bias.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is where the mechanical resolution of &quot;(self) anointed moral arbiter wielding the stick&quot; is begging for trouble.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6114255, member: 6696971"] I don't want these questions at my table because they are just flat out not simple. The context for understanding "good", its effects and the ability to apply that wisdom gained to future action has many vectors: - temporal; reactionary or long-view - spatial; micro or macro - utility; pragmatism or idealism Then you have to consider the actor's acumen at forecasting; probability modelling and predictive analysis. Each of these will come into play when examining actions, the understanding by the actor of the implications of their actions and the accountability of the actor for the outcomes. You can have all manner of deviations within your group on something such as "lying to save lives" depending upon those vectors and the confidence in forecasting outcomes. This isn't even including the added murkiness of tribalism and confirmation bias. This is where the mechanical resolution of "(self) anointed moral arbiter wielding the stick" is begging for trouble. [/QUOTE]

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