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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6115450" data-attributes="member: 22779">On the last bit, I heartily agree.&nbsp; Playing a cleric should be every bit as stringent as playing a paladin.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />But, it's not about someone power gaming or being sneaky or anything else.&nbsp; That's a whole other issue.&nbsp; The primary issue here is that no two people are going to agree on morality all of the time.&nbsp; Good grief, we've got a couple of thousand years of history proving that.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; So, what do you do when there is a conflict in interpretation.Take Gorgoroth for a second.&nbsp; He has flat out claimed that torture is evil.&nbsp; But, then the question becomes, what is torture?&nbsp; If my paladin smacks the bad guy around a bit to get some information, is that torture?&nbsp; If I grab the guy and hang him by his foot over a cliff until he talks, is that torture?&nbsp; Is gas-lighting torture?&nbsp; It's certainly psychological torture.&nbsp; I remember in my army training, they would take someone, blind fold them, throw them in a locker in the ground and start throwing dirt on top during PW training.&nbsp; Is that torture?Who gets to draw the line?&nbsp; Torture, according to Gorgoroth is flat out evil.&nbsp; But, it rarely works like that.&nbsp; Sure, if you're getting out the whips and Iron Maiden, no problems.&nbsp; But, there's a whole lot of grey area out there.&nbsp; Do you really want your RPG to take a stand on any of this?&nbsp; I don't.&nbsp; I've seen way too many hard feelings and games head wahoonie shaped because of this sort of thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6115450, member: 22779"] On the last bit, I heartily agree. Playing a cleric should be every bit as stringent as playing a paladin. :D But, it's not about someone power gaming or being sneaky or anything else. That's a whole other issue. The primary issue here is that no two people are going to agree on morality all of the time. Good grief, we've got a couple of thousand years of history proving that. :D So, what do you do when there is a conflict in interpretation. Take Gorgoroth for a second. He has flat out claimed that torture is evil. But, then the question becomes, what is torture? If my paladin smacks the bad guy around a bit to get some information, is that torture? If I grab the guy and hang him by his foot over a cliff until he talks, is that torture? Is gas-lighting torture? It's certainly psychological torture. I remember in my army training, they would take someone, blind fold them, throw them in a locker in the ground and start throwing dirt on top during PW training. Is that torture? Who gets to draw the line? Torture, according to Gorgoroth is flat out evil. But, it rarely works like that. Sure, if you're getting out the whips and Iron Maiden, no problems. But, there's a whole lot of grey area out there. Do you really want your RPG to take a stand on any of this? I don't. I've seen way too many hard feelings and games head wahoonie shaped because of this sort of thing. [/QUOTE]

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