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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorgoroth" data-source="post: 6116763" data-attributes="member: 6674889">Why do all the classes have to work exactly the same way? Some have restrictions of various forms, such as druids can only use wooden or hide armor, is that wrong too? It's part of their conviction, or at least the flavor of the class. If one doesn't like being one-with-nature, one shouldn't play a druid. Same thing with Paladin, I think his alignment is the one defining characteristic of the class : an "everything is black and white" kind of guy. There are people out there like that, and they're not necessarily reasonable or rational, but that's to say, they at least have integrity and stick to their word. If you don't see what the difference between a paladin with spells and a fighter/cleric, that's fair, but there are those of us who do. Again, the 4e mindset where all classes have to have the same chassis, no more, no less, is what most people AFAIK missed. Nobody is saying rogues should have to be evil, but certainly any non-lawful is reasonable. Otherwise why have alignments at all? Oh right, because all we are supposed to do is smash monsters in the dungeon and take their stuff, and everything has a modern relativistic morals sheen to it. Sometimes we want to play PCs who are conflicted with many shades of grey, othertimes we like the restrictions placed upon us. What's more of a spectator sport, boxing or a street fight? There are lots of rules in boxing, restrictions you might say, which make it even more fun to watch because once you define the limits you can go from there. If you don't like the rules of boxing you watch UFC or golf or something else, you don't say that restrictions are badwrongfun. Paladins being lawful good is a trope in D&D, and while modern minded gamers might want nuance and shades of grey, some of us sometimes want to start all all shiney and valiant and get a few nicks and scratches along the way, with temptations thrown in. If there's literally no consequence to you acting like a scoundrel unless somebody catches you (which is essentially what you're saying when you say stuff like no alignment restrictions thus no atonement mechanic), then you might as well play a lay person with no divine oath and actually remove the class from the game. The "knight" archetype now is your background, and you're just a fighter with a specialty feat for casting some cure minor wounds type spells. Your alignment is a separate component, that has no bearing on your class, since anyone can now be a paladin and act any way they chose.</blockquote>

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