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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6120451" data-attributes="member: 42582">That's right. Sometimes they're deliberate. Sometimes they unfold more-or-less organically, like the example of the interrogation I posted a bit upthread - the players of both paladins have to choose between honour/loyalty, and justice.Yep, that wouldn't bother me. I'd have to get a feel for it - I'm used to running a game where the narrativist/character change stuff sits pretty much above the mechanics (which is why I follow the Forge in calling it "vanilla narrativism"), but am certainly up for an approach that builds in mechanical rewards of various sorts.All fair enough. There's a lot of different ways of playing D&D!Agreed. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm asking for, and others who talk about "sidebars" with various options are I think gesturing towards the same sort of idea. You'd set out the basic idea of the class - chivarly, honour, oaths, etc - and then you'd have some discussion of the different ways of handling it and how these play out in different sorts of games.For me, what you say here resonated with the stuff you said in the Burning Wheel thread a little while ago about 4e not having the courage to put the idea of hard choices front-and-centre; that the game is just drifting into an emotionally light, high concept, fantasy hero simulator. If I'm reading you in this way am I on the right track?</blockquote>