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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tortoise" data-source="post: 5834424" data-attributes="member: 146">That is unfortunate and while I'm not one that would say such things, let me apologize to you on behalf of the open minded OSR folks.3e and 4e do both have some good things to offer and teach or remind us grognards about. In fact the 4e way of handling monsters really helped remind me how free I am as a DM to have monsters doing all sorts of things.And as far as things from 1e that even most of us old-schoolers dislike, don't get us started on the weapon speed and weapon vs armor tables. Egads! Even Gygax later lamented including those.</blockquote>