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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3753870" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Wow, uhm...ok.</p><p></p><p>So let me step back and take inventory for a minute...</p><p></p><p>$10/month subscription fee...check</p><p>$1/book(estimate)...check</p><p>undisclosed price per mini, which may or may not have a random model...check</p><p></p><p>IMHO it looks like D&DI is going to cost more than what was initially implied. And yes, I know you don't have to have your virtual books or minis...but without this stuff I don't see it as any better than the free VTT.</p><p></p><p>I also think this is going to hit a DM's pockets more than any player, which only reaffirms my initial thought that I will gladly play but have no interest in actually running D&D 4e or any other games on DDI. This really does feel like one of those "great offers" that has a bunch of hidden fees in it. If tokens are the default they should have premiered those on the preview video so we could see what the default is.</p><p></p><p>As far as paying for the virtual minis...can't get behind it (The only thing that might sway me on this is that I can buy the whole set of virtual minis with one low fee and gain unlimited use as long as I'm a subscriber). It seems like a ploy to check the growing market of non-random pre-paints by Reaper and Rackham by forcing you to buy the random's if you want actual minis for your online game. I'm not paying for a virtual mini that serves no purpose and I don't get to keep if I ever decide the DDI isn't worth it. Also, if they're in any way random or linked to the boosters this just increases my annoyance and irritation at a model like this. I'm not a fan of random as is, and this model has no real reason to perpetuate that type of model except to increase profits at consumers exspense(mainly DM exspense).</p><p></p><p>Another problem I see with attaching it to boosters is...will it be the same code or a different one on each mini of the same type? If it's the same code on say all gnoll archers, this really won't be worth the loss of goodwill or effort as someone will eventually make the codes known on the internet or whatever. If it's the second it depreciates the value of a mini on the second hand market, as you don't know whether someone used the code or not, and really seems like more of a way to nudge and push people into actually buying boosters.</p><p></p><p>This is a real killer for me as far as running games over the DDI, YMMV of course but I just don't like it and don't plan on steadily spending money on a subscription model that throws in various fees left and right(because we still don't know what else will be charged for).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 3753870, member: 48965"] Wow, uhm...ok. So let me step back and take inventory for a minute... $10/month subscription fee...check $1/book(estimate)...check undisclosed price per mini, which may or may not have a random model...check IMHO it looks like D&DI is going to cost more than what was initially implied. And yes, I know you don't have to have your virtual books or minis...but without this stuff I don't see it as any better than the free VTT. I also think this is going to hit a DM's pockets more than any player, which only reaffirms my initial thought that I will gladly play but have no interest in actually running D&D 4e or any other games on DDI. This really does feel like one of those "great offers" that has a bunch of hidden fees in it. If tokens are the default they should have premiered those on the preview video so we could see what the default is. As far as paying for the virtual minis...can't get behind it (The only thing that might sway me on this is that I can buy the whole set of virtual minis with one low fee and gain unlimited use as long as I'm a subscriber). It seems like a ploy to check the growing market of non-random pre-paints by Reaper and Rackham by forcing you to buy the random's if you want actual minis for your online game. I'm not paying for a virtual mini that serves no purpose and I don't get to keep if I ever decide the DDI isn't worth it. Also, if they're in any way random or linked to the boosters this just increases my annoyance and irritation at a model like this. I'm not a fan of random as is, and this model has no real reason to perpetuate that type of model except to increase profits at consumers exspense(mainly DM exspense). Another problem I see with attaching it to boosters is...will it be the same code or a different one on each mini of the same type? If it's the same code on say all gnoll archers, this really won't be worth the loss of goodwill or effort as someone will eventually make the codes known on the internet or whatever. If it's the second it depreciates the value of a mini on the second hand market, as you don't know whether someone used the code or not, and really seems like more of a way to nudge and push people into actually buying boosters. This is a real killer for me as far as running games over the DDI, YMMV of course but I just don't like it and don't plan on steadily spending money on a subscription model that throws in various fees left and right(because we still don't know what else will be charged for). [/QUOTE]
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