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<blockquote data-quote="Edwin Suijkerbuijk" data-source="post: 6879867" data-attributes="member: 6801221"><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6682974" target="_blank">Vyre</a></u></strong></em>lionAB if my Green Flame Blade is Counterspelled, do I still get to make a normal melee attack or is it "counterspelled" too?</p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford No part of a countered spell occurs. That's the purpose of counterspell. </p><p> @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6682974" target="_blank">Vyre</a></u></strong></em>lionAB when it says "make an attack as part of the casting" it seems as if the melee attack is like a somatic component, though </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford The spell would list the attack in the Component entry if the attack was a somatic component.</p><p>@kam2112 the weapon is listed as a material component </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford The weapon is, indeed, a material component. The attack is not.</p><p> @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210" target="_blank">Sen</a></u></strong></em>nSationalist That's not intuitive to me. My reading of SCAG cantrips is that the user makes a weapon atk which applies the spell effect. </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford If the attack could be disentangled from the spell's effect, the attack would be a component, not part of the effect. </p><p></p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210" target="_blank">Sen</a></u></strong></em>nSationalist Alright. The wording is pretty unclear on that front for the cantrips, and the concept of a spell causing a melee atk too. </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford Those cantrips are purposefully unusual. Unlike smite spells, the cantrips incorporate a weapon attack in the spell effect. </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210" target="_blank">Sen</a></u></strong></em>nSationalist I totally buy your ruling, but it seems to mean that Booming Blade is now controlling user's arm and causing it to atk. </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford The casting sets up the attack. With counterspell, you foil that setup and anything that would have followed it. </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210" target="_blank">Sen</a></u></strong></em>nSationalist Thanks for the answers and clarifications by the way! It always helps to know what your view on these corner cases is! </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210" target="_blank">Sen</a></u></strong></em>nSationalist But balance-wise it does makes sense for a 3rd level spell to 100% counter a cantrip. </p><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford Exactly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edwin Suijkerbuijk, post: 6879867, member: 6801221"] @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6682974"]Vyre[/URL][/U][/B][/I]lionAB if my Green Flame Blade is Counterspelled, do I still get to make a normal melee attack or is it "counterspelled" too? @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford No part of a countered spell occurs. That's the purpose of counterspell. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6682974"]Vyre[/URL][/U][/B][/I]lionAB when it says "make an attack as part of the casting" it seems as if the melee attack is like a somatic component, though @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford The spell would list the attack in the Component entry if the attack was a somatic component. @kam2112 the weapon is listed as a material component @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford The weapon is, indeed, a material component. The attack is not. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210"]Sen[/URL][/U][/B][/I]nSationalist That's not intuitive to me. My reading of SCAG cantrips is that the user makes a weapon atk which applies the spell effect. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford If the attack could be disentangled from the spell's effect, the attack would be a component, not part of the effect. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210"]Sen[/URL][/U][/B][/I]nSationalist Alright. The wording is pretty unclear on that front for the cantrips, and the concept of a spell causing a melee atk too. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford Those cantrips are purposefully unusual. Unlike smite spells, the cantrips incorporate a weapon attack in the spell effect. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210"]Sen[/URL][/U][/B][/I]nSationalist I totally buy your ruling, but it seems to mean that Booming Blade is now controlling user's arm and causing it to atk. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford The casting sets up the attack. With counterspell, you foil that setup and anything that would have followed it. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210"]Sen[/URL][/U][/B][/I]nSationalist Thanks for the answers and clarifications by the way! It always helps to know what your view on these corner cases is! @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=86210"]Sen[/URL][/U][/B][/I]nSationalist But balance-wise it does makes sense for a 3rd level spell to 100% counter a cantrip. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford Exactly. [/QUOTE]
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