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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6727683" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p><strong>Originally posted by wrecan:</strong></p><p></p><p>Thread derai: I loved Troy. I note that the fight between Menelaus and Paris goes the same way. Paris starts out fine (albeit he's a Heroic Tier character outclassed by the Paragon Tier Menelaus). He takes a few blows, but nothing debilitating, but at the end of the fight, his defenses are down and he's weak, ready to fall. When Hector (who, along with Achilles, is clearly Epic Tier) steps in and saves Paris, Paris is still weak, but he runs with no penalty and it's clear he could still fight if he had to. By the next morning, he'd be totally fine.</p><p></p><p>Actually Troy is a great representation of D&D Tiers. Most of the soldiers are minions (the Myrmidons are either Heroic warriors or Epic minions!). Only a handful of heroes are Epic (Achilles, Hector and maybe Agamemnon as an Epic Warlord). Most of the other named characters are Paragon (Odysseus, Ajax, Menelaus, Boagrias (the giant Achilles kills int he first scene)) and a few are merely Heroic (Paris and Patrocles). Hm. I'll have to remember that.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Originally posted by wrecan:</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except, of course, that there is no regeneration with healing surges. Lost limbs don't regenerate -- only lost hit points.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I note you seem to have a hard time believing many things that happen to be true. Denim is just a more comfortable cotton version of twill, a woolen durable fabric from which most medieval clothing is fashioned. The reason everybody switched from wool to denim in the 18th century is not because denim was more durable than wool but because it was more comfortable than wool.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What movie is Die Hard 1 1/2?! Do you mean Die Hard, Die Hard 2: Die Harder, Die Hard With a Vengeance or Live Free or Die Hard? I didn't see the last one, but as far as I know in none of those movies does John McClane spend a week recuperating from his injuries.</p><p></p><p>In fact...</p><p><strong>Die Hard: </strong>McClane and wife make out in the back of a limo -- bruised and battered, but able to walk just fine</p><p><strong>Die Hard 2: </strong>McClane and wife make out in the back of a limo -- bruised and battered, but able to walk just fine</p><p><strong>Die Hard 3: </strong>McClane makes a call to his wife on a New York City payphone -- bruised and battered, but able to walk just fine</p><p>As I said, I didn't see <strong>Die Hard 4. </strong>According to the imdb synopsis, the only serious injury he sustained was a gunshot through the shoulder (which he exacerbated with a second shot through the shoulder to kill the villain pressed up against him), for which he is receiving medical attention. However, from the synopsis, I get no indication that McClane won't be in fine fighting shape come tomorrow, with a few stitches.</p><p></p><p><strong>Raiders of the Lost Ark: </strong>Indy goes from so battered he can't fool around with Marion to able to swim the ocean, stowaway on a U-Boat, beat up Nazis and steal a bazooka, all with a night's sleep.</p><p><strong>Temple of Doom: </strong>Indy and company fall from plane onto the Himalayas in a raft and still has enough energy to fool around with the lounge singer he met in Shanghai earlier that day.</p><p><strong>Last Crusade: </strong>Indy gets the crud kicked out of him in a German castle and is perfectly fine when they hijack a zeppelin in Berlin the next day. (And the scene with his father being shot is a great cinematic way to run a skill challenge during a death count!)</p><p><strong>Crystal Skull: </strong>Ugh. Indy exhibits all the healing surges we've come to expect from the previous three... it's just a really bad movie.</p><p></p><p><strong>Troy: </strong>Paris gets the snot beat out of him by Menelaus -- he suffers no penalties as he flees cowardly.</p><p>Hector and Patrocles go at it for several minutes, neither getting hurt -- after Patrocles dies, Hector is clearly able to fight, but is weary of fighting (i.e., low on healing surges) and all sides agree to back down -- the next day, Hector is fine.</p><p>Achilles and Hector go at it for several minutes, neither getting hurt -- after Hector dies, Achilles suffers no visible injuries.</p><p></p><p>So where's the movies in which the hero is at top fighting form throughout the combat, but it takes him a week to recover from his injuries without magical assistance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>He appears to regenerate just like 4E Heroes do.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The word is "graze", not "grace". And a stinger can cause a minor puncture.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I explained why your "answer" was nonresponsive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6727683, member: 37579"] [b]Originally posted by wrecan:[/b] Thread derai: I loved Troy. I note that the fight between Menelaus and Paris goes the same way. Paris starts out fine (albeit he's a Heroic Tier character outclassed by the Paragon Tier Menelaus). He takes a few blows, but nothing debilitating, but at the end of the fight, his defenses are down and he's weak, ready to fall. When Hector (who, along with Achilles, is clearly Epic Tier) steps in and saves Paris, Paris is still weak, but he runs with no penalty and it's clear he could still fight if he had to. By the next morning, he'd be totally fine. Actually Troy is a great representation of D&D Tiers. Most of the soldiers are minions (the Myrmidons are either Heroic warriors or Epic minions!). Only a handful of heroes are Epic (Achilles, Hector and maybe Agamemnon as an Epic Warlord). Most of the other named characters are Paragon (Odysseus, Ajax, Menelaus, Boagrias (the giant Achilles kills int he first scene)) and a few are merely Heroic (Paris and Patrocles). Hm. I'll have to remember that. [b]Originally posted by wrecan:[/b] Except, of course, that there is no regeneration with healing surges. Lost limbs don't regenerate -- only lost hit points. I note you seem to have a hard time believing many things that happen to be true. Denim is just a more comfortable cotton version of twill, a woolen durable fabric from which most medieval clothing is fashioned. The reason everybody switched from wool to denim in the 18th century is not because denim was more durable than wool but because it was more comfortable than wool. What movie is Die Hard 1 1/2?! Do you mean Die Hard, Die Hard 2: Die Harder, Die Hard With a Vengeance or Live Free or Die Hard? I didn't see the last one, but as far as I know in none of those movies does John McClane spend a week recuperating from his injuries. In fact... [b]Die Hard: [/b]McClane and wife make out in the back of a limo -- bruised and battered, but able to walk just fine [b]Die Hard 2: [/b]McClane and wife make out in the back of a limo -- bruised and battered, but able to walk just fine [b]Die Hard 3: [/b]McClane makes a call to his wife on a New York City payphone -- bruised and battered, but able to walk just fine As I said, I didn't see [b]Die Hard 4. [/b]According to the imdb synopsis, the only serious injury he sustained was a gunshot through the shoulder (which he exacerbated with a second shot through the shoulder to kill the villain pressed up against him), for which he is receiving medical attention. However, from the synopsis, I get no indication that McClane won't be in fine fighting shape come tomorrow, with a few stitches. [b]Raiders of the Lost Ark: [/b]Indy goes from so battered he can't fool around with Marion to able to swim the ocean, stowaway on a U-Boat, beat up Nazis and steal a bazooka, all with a night's sleep. [b]Temple of Doom: [/b]Indy and company fall from plane onto the Himalayas in a raft and still has enough energy to fool around with the lounge singer he met in Shanghai earlier that day. [b]Last Crusade: [/b]Indy gets the crud kicked out of him in a German castle and is perfectly fine when they hijack a zeppelin in Berlin the next day. (And the scene with his father being shot is a great cinematic way to run a skill challenge during a death count!) [b]Crystal Skull: [/b]Ugh. Indy exhibits all the healing surges we've come to expect from the previous three... it's just a really bad movie. [b]Troy: [/b]Paris gets the snot beat out of him by Menelaus -- he suffers no penalties as he flees cowardly. Hector and Patrocles go at it for several minutes, neither getting hurt -- after Patrocles dies, Hector is clearly able to fight, but is weary of fighting (i.e., low on healing surges) and all sides agree to back down -- the next day, Hector is fine. Achilles and Hector go at it for several minutes, neither getting hurt -- after Hector dies, Achilles suffers no visible injuries. So where's the movies in which the hero is at top fighting form throughout the combat, but it takes him a week to recover from his injuries without magical assistance. He appears to regenerate just like 4E Heroes do. The word is "graze", not "grace". And a stinger can cause a minor puncture. And I explained why your "answer" was nonresponsive. [/QUOTE]
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