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Sorcerer doing massive damage - or is he?
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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5226308" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>That 150 damage round sounds sweet -- but it was really 1d10+18 to most (all?) of the monsters; not small potatoes, but keep in mind that it didn't bring any non-minion monsters close to leaving the board--just softened them all up a bit. You can find extensive arguments for why damage to one creature is a lot better, all things being equal, to less damage to a lot of creatures. And keep in mind that he had to expend an encounter power (Focused Chaos) to pull this off -and- hit and keep hitting.</p><p></p><p>Torrent of power looks great -- but again, it's a daily (if a daily that gives the Vorpal ability in paragon levels rather than epic). And without an ability to cheese it up to do infinite damage, it just does a nice increase--turns d6s into d6+.7, etc.</p><p></p><p>Dazzling Ray's damage is ok. It does equivalent damage to a l1 daily with superior weapon, and has an OK debuf -- but every melee class has 3W attack that's pretty similar, some of which with stronger riders (like the Avenger 3Ws, or even better, the Barbarian 3Ws) And even fighters get stuff like Lasting Threat -- a 3W reliable attack that marks forever.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind that pretty much every striker should be able to manage a nova round in high heroic that can manage 150 damage. After all, at-level monsters have more than 200 damage--it's good if the strikers -can- kill a monster by blowing a bunch of encounter powers in one round, but they should certainly be able to bloody one (and the sorcerer falls down a bit on this, though multi-attack powers like Thunder Leap can help a lot here -- TL does (in your example) 4d6+31 if both attacks hit --to a single monster [plus anything else you catch in the bursts, plus a push, plus the utility of a huge leap if you need it]. But again, that's a daily, and dailies are -supposed- to be aweseome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5226308, member: 59248"] That 150 damage round sounds sweet -- but it was really 1d10+18 to most (all?) of the monsters; not small potatoes, but keep in mind that it didn't bring any non-minion monsters close to leaving the board--just softened them all up a bit. You can find extensive arguments for why damage to one creature is a lot better, all things being equal, to less damage to a lot of creatures. And keep in mind that he had to expend an encounter power (Focused Chaos) to pull this off -and- hit and keep hitting. Torrent of power looks great -- but again, it's a daily (if a daily that gives the Vorpal ability in paragon levels rather than epic). And without an ability to cheese it up to do infinite damage, it just does a nice increase--turns d6s into d6+.7, etc. Dazzling Ray's damage is ok. It does equivalent damage to a l1 daily with superior weapon, and has an OK debuf -- but every melee class has 3W attack that's pretty similar, some of which with stronger riders (like the Avenger 3Ws, or even better, the Barbarian 3Ws) And even fighters get stuff like Lasting Threat -- a 3W reliable attack that marks forever. Keep in mind that pretty much every striker should be able to manage a nova round in high heroic that can manage 150 damage. After all, at-level monsters have more than 200 damage--it's good if the strikers -can- kill a monster by blowing a bunch of encounter powers in one round, but they should certainly be able to bloody one (and the sorcerer falls down a bit on this, though multi-attack powers like Thunder Leap can help a lot here -- TL does (in your example) 4d6+31 if both attacks hit --to a single monster [plus anything else you catch in the bursts, plus a push, plus the utility of a huge leap if you need it]. But again, that's a daily, and dailies are -supposed- to be aweseome. [/QUOTE]
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