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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 6640463" data-attributes="member: 63508">I think you are not catching on to my point. I can understand that because some of it deals with DM style and adventure preference.The strength of the 3rd edition sorcerer was that they didn't have to prepare spells into their slots. If they needed a fireball and had a 3rd level slot, you had a fireball. A wizard had to prepare fireballs into slots. If the wizard needed more than that amount they were out of luck. Of course, 3rd made items cheap so this was minimized.In 4th they had different roles.Now in 5th, everyone is spontaneous. However spells don't scale with caster level, they scale with spell slots. And casting a low level spell with higher slots is inefficient. If you have an adventure or DM style with lots of varying encounters, the wizards need those bonus spells prepared as they have no easy scrolls and wands to bail them out. I've seen it cause it happened to me. &quot;I have 2 fire spells already.&quot; He says. &quot;Lightning bolt is good enough, he says.&quot;. Well a fireball would have been great in that last battle in the dungeon. A fire sorcerer would have a fireball and could metamagic it. Or 3rd level a scorching ray but with bonus damage and metamagic.A lightning sorcerer would still have the lightning bolt with bonus damage and metamagic.It's a situation that can happen. It's as common as the adventure or DM makes it however. But the wizard spell groan sometimes happens.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 6640463, member: 63508"] I think you are not catching on to my point. I can understand that because some of it deals with DM style and adventure preference. The strength of the 3rd edition sorcerer was that they didn't have to prepare spells into their slots. If they needed a fireball and had a 3rd level slot, you had a fireball. A wizard had to prepare fireballs into slots. If the wizard needed more than that amount they were out of luck. Of course, 3rd made items cheap so this was minimized. In 4th they had different roles. Now in 5th, everyone is spontaneous. However spells don't scale with caster level, they scale with spell slots. And casting a low level spell with higher slots is inefficient. If you have an adventure or DM style with lots of varying encounters, the wizards need those bonus spells prepared as they have no easy scrolls and wands to bail them out. I've seen it cause it happened to me. "I have 2 fire spells already." He says. "Lightning bolt is good enough, he says.". Well a fireball would have been great in that last battle in the dungeon. A fire sorcerer would have a fireball and could metamagic it. Or 3rd level a scorching ray but with bonus damage and metamagic. A lightning sorcerer would still have the lightning bolt with bonus damage and metamagic. It's a situation that can happen. It's as common as the adventure or DM makes it however. But the wizard spell groan sometimes happens. [/QUOTE]

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