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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5860640" data-attributes="member: 57383">I'll update the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/5842136-post720.html" target="_blank">Working Draft</a> with SR 14, although I suspect Shade might change it to CR +6 later on...Ranks of Hide 13, Move Silently 5, Listen 8?Its Dex and Huge size gives it a hefty Hide penalty.We could give it mostly stealthy-related feats to compensate - e.g. Stealthy, Skill Focus (Hide), Skill Focus (Move Silently) - or add a racial bonus to Hide and/or Move Silently. I'd favor something like a racial bonus to Hide checks when it subterranean environments, since it's "easy to spot in the open".So, how about this:Skill Ranks: Hide 9, Move Silently 9, Listen 8Skills: Climb +11, Hide +2*, Move Silently +10, Listen +8Feats: Improved Initiative, Reckless Offense [?], Stealthy, Weapon Focus (slam)Skill bonuses: A dense pudding has a +4 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. A dense pudding has a +8  racial bonus on Climb checks and can always  choose to take 10 on a Climb  check, even if rushed or threatened.*A dense pudding has a +8 circumstance bonus to Hide checks in underground caves.[A Gray Pudding is even better at ambushing, so methinks we'd better give the Gray a +12 circumstance bonus and SF (Move Silently)]</blockquote>