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Spell concept to replicate 4e Bladesingers
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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6569310" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>I don't have the book with me so maybe I'm misremembering... but I think the Tavern Brawler feat states that if you make an Attack action and are successful on the hit, you can use your Bonus action to Grapple? If indeed that's how it works, then it does give a blueprint for how Elemental Arc *could* work, but which would be different than how Paraxis currently has written it.</p><p></p><p>The easiest way to explain the spell (to match the formatting of Tavern Brawler) is that you use a Bonus action to cast Elemental Arc, but which can only occur after a successful hit with an Attack action. The magical effect and extra damage then occurs during said Bonus action (as opposed to how it currently is written, when it doesn't happen until it's inside the Attack action.)</p><p></p><p>If you write it that way... then part two of the conundrum is solved, because the spell uses a Bonus action and occurs during the Bonus action. But it doesn't solve the potential original imbalancing, which was that you could use a two-handed weapon like a greataxe or greatsword for the extra potential damage for the Attack, and then during the Bonus action take one hand off of the weapon to cast Elemental Arc.</p><p></p><p>But Paraxis' point that Polearm Master does add in the extra STR mod damage to the 1d4 (which I had forgotten it does), does boost the feat's damage potential enough to probably offset the extra damage gained from using a greataxe or greatsword. So maybe that concern I had about the damage is a whole lot of wind and fury signifying nothing? I would go along with that.</p><p></p><p>Which just leaves the other three boons Elemental Arc has over Polearm Master (not using a Feat/ASI slot, four potential effects rather than one, and the second target up to 30' away rather than 10'). Does that make the cantrip signifcantly better then still? Maybe? I guess it might depend. But you probably could go with it and just see what happens? Maybe it wouldn't be that big of a deal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6569310, member: 7006"] I don't have the book with me so maybe I'm misremembering... but I think the Tavern Brawler feat states that if you make an Attack action and are successful on the hit, you can use your Bonus action to Grapple? If indeed that's how it works, then it does give a blueprint for how Elemental Arc *could* work, but which would be different than how Paraxis currently has written it. The easiest way to explain the spell (to match the formatting of Tavern Brawler) is that you use a Bonus action to cast Elemental Arc, but which can only occur after a successful hit with an Attack action. The magical effect and extra damage then occurs during said Bonus action (as opposed to how it currently is written, when it doesn't happen until it's inside the Attack action.) If you write it that way... then part two of the conundrum is solved, because the spell uses a Bonus action and occurs during the Bonus action. But it doesn't solve the potential original imbalancing, which was that you could use a two-handed weapon like a greataxe or greatsword for the extra potential damage for the Attack, and then during the Bonus action take one hand off of the weapon to cast Elemental Arc. But Paraxis' point that Polearm Master does add in the extra STR mod damage to the 1d4 (which I had forgotten it does), does boost the feat's damage potential enough to probably offset the extra damage gained from using a greataxe or greatsword. So maybe that concern I had about the damage is a whole lot of wind and fury signifying nothing? I would go along with that. Which just leaves the other three boons Elemental Arc has over Polearm Master (not using a Feat/ASI slot, four potential effects rather than one, and the second target up to 30' away rather than 10'). Does that make the cantrip signifcantly better then still? Maybe? I guess it might depend. But you probably could go with it and just see what happens? Maybe it wouldn't be that big of a deal. [/QUOTE]
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