Spell Focus and Eyebite

[Otterscrubber]

Lets say a wizard or sorcerer has spell focus for the echantment/charm school of spells. Would this apply when an enchantment effect was chosen when casting the eyebite spell, which is listed as tranformation? I know the spell is transformation, but in the effect descriptions it lists the effects as having different schools for some reason.

 

[gfunk]

I proposed this question earlier this year,

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1888&highlight=eyebite

 

[Otterscrubber]

I proposed this question earlier this year,

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1888&highlight=eyebite

Thanks for the thread, but it doesnt get much feedback on the spell focus question you asked. Please let me know if you have any more input.

According to the few responses that answered your first question though it seems that the spell focus would affect the enchantment effects of eyebite. I also think that the spell focus should work if you are using the echantment effects, but had some disagreements with the other players in the group.

Anyone else care to add?

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

That's a very interesting question, but I would think the answer would depend upon the answer to this:

Can a specialist whose prohibited school is enchantment use the enchantment effects of Eyebite? If so, then I think spell focus: transmutation should apply to all of the effects. If not, then the spell focusses appropriate to the effects should apply.

 

[Otterscrubber]

Yup, another good question. That does make me look at it differently.

 

[LokiDR]

For simplicity, I would just say it doesn't work. Only spell focus:transmutation. I would also say that a new spell, maybe even a level lower, should be added that does the charm effect only as an enchantment spell.

 

[gfunk]

I would completely ignore the main Trnasmutation spell descriptor, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For instance, take an Enchanter with Transmutation as his prohibted school. It would be rules-lawyering in the extreme to say that he couldn't use the Charm or Sleep abilities of Eyebite.

Personally, I would just give each ability the school mentioned in the text.

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

Spell focus would work if you had it for the school the spell was, not with spells are similar in effect. It might be a Transmutation spell because it has several possible effects. Just like Mirage Arcana (?) mimicks other spells while being itself an illusion.

If a specialist could not use it because it mimicked a prohibited school, then he could not use a Wish to mimick such a spell, which Wish clearly states you can.

 

[LordAO]

The spell says "Transmutation (see text)". If I understand correctly, I would take it to mean that it is a multi-school spell. I would say that spell focus Transmutation would apply to all the effects. If someone doesn't have spell focus in transmutation, they would be able to use Enchantment for the Charm or Sleep effects, and Necromancy for the Fear and Sicken effects.

As far as a specialist who has transmutation as a prhibited school, I would allow them to use the spell, but only those effects which are available to them.

How does that sound?