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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8130506" data-attributes="member: 7019027"><p>Con saves are important on spellcasters because they determine concentration. Sorcerers are the only spellcasting class with Con saves so they should definitely be mentioned. The ability to succeed on your concentration where another spellcaster may have failed is pretty important. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Its all about efficacy and tactics. </p><p></p><p>Metamagics were never about having a spell be not that spell. What it does is open the possibilities of the spell. </p><p></p><p>Fireball is probably the worse example. It's just condensed damage. The only metamagic you can use that isn't a pure damage boost is distant, careful, and subtle. But their use with fireball in particular is very niche. </p><p></p><p>Take invisibility. 1 hour of being invisible for a 2nd-level slot. </p><p></p><p>Well, if you twin it, you've effectively upcasted it. If you need to be invisible for more than an hour, you can extend it and save yourself a whole 'nother spell slot and not outting yourself with verbal casting with only 1 sorcery point. You can quicken it in combat and instantly hide.</p><p></p><p>Metamagic is not added to make it feel like your spells known list has increased or changed by giving your sorcerer effectively "new spells." Metamagic is used to enhance your spells to push them further beyond what a wizard could do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8130506, member: 7019027"] Con saves are important on spellcasters because they determine concentration. Sorcerers are the only spellcasting class with Con saves so they should definitely be mentioned. The ability to succeed on your concentration where another spellcaster may have failed is pretty important. Its all about efficacy and tactics. Metamagics were never about having a spell be not that spell. What it does is open the possibilities of the spell. Fireball is probably the worse example. It's just condensed damage. The only metamagic you can use that isn't a pure damage boost is distant, careful, and subtle. But their use with fireball in particular is very niche. Take invisibility. 1 hour of being invisible for a 2nd-level slot. Well, if you twin it, you've effectively upcasted it. If you need to be invisible for more than an hour, you can extend it and save yourself a whole 'nother spell slot and not outting yourself with verbal casting with only 1 sorcery point. You can quicken it in combat and instantly hide. Metamagic is not added to make it feel like your spells known list has increased or changed by giving your sorcerer effectively "new spells." Metamagic is used to enhance your spells to push them further beyond what a wizard could do. [/QUOTE]
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