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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8131016" data-attributes="member: 6801228">That makes the first time ever I've seen. So you run out of spell slots instead. And, if you use up all your points and slots before the day is over? Then you have nothing.Search is only useful in.... niche situations. Using potions means that you used a spell slot to buy time to heal, again, you also could have run away. So it only helps if you have no where to move to where you won't be easily targeted, and you can't fall prone. Because falling prone gives the same disadvantage as being invisible. Only it is free, not a spell slot.Andy magic item that activates a magical effect is considered the same as casting a spell, so they would break invisibility. Plus it requires having whichever specific magic item you want. Which leaves the Help action. And if you are using the help action with the need of a 2nd level spell slot... why not just cast a spell that may directly give a similiar or greater benefit? I know I'm being nit-picky, but this is the point. You are defending the sorcerer with a niche set of maybes. Everything they have is reliant on "well, if this is the situation" in a way that few other classes have to deal with for their core abilities.Sure, Subtle is useful in specific circumstances. Phantasmal Force is a range of 60 ft. If a wizard is hidden, will they been seen? Maybe. But maybe tables have rules for attempting to hide spellcasting. Meaning you aren't doing anything unique, just something that is a die roll for others. Also, you again set up a niche situation. You need1) Subtle Spell2) Phantasmal Force3) An NPC who the party can manipulate with a "divine revelation" 4) A successful skill check (because just casting the spell isn't an instant-win button) What do you need for a Paladin to use their aura? 1) Stand within 10ft of a paladinSure, a few extra cantrips is nice, but again, you are trying to sell a 1 through 20 class, and "I get two more cantrips" is weak. And you can talk about 4 fireballs at level five, but what does that mean? Two spell slots of 3rd level.Every Sorcerery point you start the day with (3rd)Two 2nd level spell slots and a 1st level spell slot (4th)Leaving you with 0 sorcery points, 1 second spell, and 3 first. So, to get two more sorcery points for most metamagic you need to keep consuming spell slots. Color me unimpressed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yeah, they finally gave us something we've needed since the beginning... right in time for a wizard with a superior version. Small steps indeed.</blockquote>

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