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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 8131260" data-attributes="member: 6689464">You know that only a couple of these are actually in the sorcerer list?Yet, Phantasmal Force is a spell few sorcerers can afford to even have in the first place. There is barely enough space for spells that directly help with survivability  It is hard. Every spell you cast that isn't modified by metamagic or is not something a wizard could cast marks you as wizard minus. I try not to make the comparison, but others on the table will very likely be quick to remind you. On the other hand, cast nothing and you become irrelevant in the given situation. You'll run out of resources very quickly on any given day.Any metamagic combo in isolation is unreasonable. Simply because for most of your career, you only have two metamagics, and every spell has to work with either. Even Twin is useless if all you have is a bunch of AoE Spells.  Quicken is useless for utility spells, Heighten does nothing for spells that are pure attacks and so on.</blockquote>