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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8131957" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I shouldn't and yet, wow. Firstly, many spells that are niche usefulness (such as Water Breathing. Locate Object, Locate Person or Remove Curse) are on both the divine and arcane spell lists. So, there is relevance in asking if a Druid or Cleric being able to prepare Water Breathing 24 hours after it becomes clear you need it also invalidates the wizard. Secondly. I have been part of a few of those spell versatility arguments as well, and while you present them as your side having an overwhelming majority, you seem to forget some of the gaping holes in your position. Such as the fact that many of those scenarios expected the sorcerer to suddenly have near perfect knowledge of the coming challenges to prepare for them. And that that knowledge came from scrying and scouting, one of which required a wizard to pull off and the other placing the rogue in a very risky situation.So, no. There has been no proof that the sorcerer getting this ability would delegate the wizard to the trash bin. There never has been.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I agree with [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] , your reading of Acerak's point was harsher than was required. But, fine I'll concede that if [USER=7023887]@AcererakTriple6[/USER] truly meant that every single possible rule is better as an official variant rule rather than a house rule, that your rebuttal was a correct response. However, since that was clearly not the intent of their argument, I think it is fair to say that spoke loosely and informally, and that you responded to that instead of to the intent of their post. Edit: And I agree with the rest of Ezekiel's points too. The discussion has been whether or not it was a bad rule, with the impetus being that people were celebrating it not being included. People put forth that they were celebrating it because it was a bad rule, and that it wasn't included because it was a bad rule, but this discussion on this rule has never definitively been proven if it is good or bad.</blockquote>

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