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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 8302819" data-attributes="member: 762">It's not completely moot though.At 3rd level a rogue will have about a 65% chance to pick a standard lock (DC 15 and assuming 16 Dex and the rogue having expertise and thieves tools). A knock spell gives you a 100% chance. That's not insignificant when you REALLY need to get past a lock.But that's also not the whole story. If the rogue doesn't have tools and has to improvise then he's picking the lock at disadvantage - that's only a 42% chance of success. The Wizard remains at 100% (without needing access to anything since knock is a V only spell).If the rogue can't improvise tools (say he's locked in a dungeon cell and the DM is being overly strict) he can't pick the lock. The wizard - still at 100%.Now how many wizard players memorize knock as their sole 2nd level spell? Not many, unless they know it will almost certainly come up - then yes they would - at a significant resource cost.But allowing it as a ritual? That obliterates locks as an obstacle completely, which is a bit much - especially for 3rd level. I'm comfortable giving that to a rogue at 11th (reliable talent and a high skill check) they've more than earned it - but not to a wizard at 3rd.</blockquote>