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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8303826" data-attributes="member: 6696971">My GIF above was my legitimate instinctive reaction to this post (I thought you were playfully trolling until I read further).May I ask the following:* Did you play much of AD&D or BECMI/RC above level 7?  In particular, did you play much above Name Level?* Did you play 3.x...at all (again, particularly level 7+)?* 4e is a different beast, so I won't get into it here (spellcasters and martial characters were balanced).* When you did play with spellcaster players...were they skillful players?  Were they picking a lot of damage/blaster spells (ok, yes...uncapped Fireball in 1e/BECMI/RC was indeed a site to behold...that notwithstanding)?  Or were they doing the game-obliterating skillfull thing by loading out No Save, Save or Suck, Save or Die spells along with the typical suite of utility (transport/protection and buff/surveillance/enchanter line) spells that amplified Team PC stratospherically and nullified Team GM moves (imposing an arms race upon play that either meant that GM had to deploy degenerate Calvinballism to reign in the spellcaster or basically...shrug and lose)?I mean, outside of (a) low level 1e play with LOL I rolled 18/00 Strength + UA buffed Fighters and (b) low level 2e play (particularly the monstrosity of Skills and Powers nonsense) w/ Dual Wielded Katanas or Machine-Gun Dart Specialists......what you're describing bears ABSOLUTELY_ZERO_RESEMBLANCE to the 1000s of hours I've GMed AD&D or BECMI/RC at level 7+ (particularly level 11+ where Spellcasters dominate play so profoundly that Ars Magica is jealous)!I have to assume your exposure to level 7+ is not much, your exposure to level 11+ is nil, your Fighters all had 18/00 strength or girdles of giant strength/guantlets of ogre power were dropping like candy, or your spellcasters all eschewed the utterly overpowered suite of No Save/SoS/SoD/Utility Spells and took damage spells in their stead...or perhaps your GMing was engaging in Calvinball blocks left and right (antimagic zones and nonstop spellbook stealing, etc)?When I wasn't GMing Moldvay Basic dungeon crawls, I lived in a perpetual torture chamber of spellcaster arms race (which I tried to make legitimate rather than Calvinballing them) against multiple extremely skillful spellcaster players.  When someone chose Fighter or Thief...I breathed a sigh of relief.</blockquote>

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