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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8304357" data-attributes="member: 7015698">I agree with Longinus. Too many times you see people treat a level 20 Fighter as, at best, an Olympic Athlete (despite the fact that some olympic athletes seem to have better than 20s in their stats according to the math of the game). A level 20 Fighter isn't Hawkeye, he's Captain America, at the least! Mundane characters constantly get hamstrung by limited notions of 'realism' that, quite frankly, often don't actually have any basis beyond gut feelings. That should stop at around level 10. I remember a message board in the 4e era with a guy insisting that horseback archery shouldn't be possible... which resulted in multiple people sharing videos of horseback archery competition. A level 20 mundane character should be breaking every damn world record we can find! Run like Usain Bolt while fully geared out in plate armour, deadlift 1100 lbs without breaking a sweat, do a 15 feet standing long jump, hold their breath underwater for over 20 minutes while swimming and so on! Do you know what's the heaviest a D&D character can deadlift on their own? 720 lbs, if they're a Barbarian with a 24 in STR. A fighter has a deadlift of 600. HALF the world record!</blockquote>