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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8305133" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Exactly. They get abilities that are not related to more hps or more damage. I was replying to a post that claimed this was all fighters could do.</p><p></p><p>I think it was reprinted as the Banneret. If you don't like it don't play it, and to be honest I have not seen it played in any game I have played but people shouldn't argue both sides of the coin.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again this was a reply. The poster asked about "more powerful" maneuvers. The disarming attack you got at level 3 is "more powerful" at level 10. This is in addition to the extra maneuvers you get, and by the way there are no maneuvers I don't want, there are just those that I did not want as much. Also as I noted battlemasters get other abilities at higher levels.</p><p></p><p>Finally the comparison to the wizard is off the mark. You are talking about a core wizard feature (spells) and comparing it to a fighter subclass feature (maneuvers). This is not an appropriate comparison, wizard spells should be compared to fighter class abilities, those being extra attacks, 2 extra ASIs, 2nd wind, action surge, indomitable, fighting styles ...... that is what should be compared to spells</p><p></p><p>If you are going to compare something to battlemaster maneuvers, it needs to be a wizard subclass feature and the only wizard subclass that has anything even close to what a battlemaster gets with subclass is the bladesinger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8305133, member: 7030563"] Exactly. They get abilities that are not related to more hps or more damage. I was replying to a post that claimed this was all fighters could do. I think it was reprinted as the Banneret. If you don't like it don't play it, and to be honest I have not seen it played in any game I have played but people shouldn't argue both sides of the coin. Again this was a reply. The poster asked about "more powerful" maneuvers. The disarming attack you got at level 3 is "more powerful" at level 10. This is in addition to the extra maneuvers you get, and by the way there are no maneuvers I don't want, there are just those that I did not want as much. Also as I noted battlemasters get other abilities at higher levels. Finally the comparison to the wizard is off the mark. You are talking about a core wizard feature (spells) and comparing it to a fighter subclass feature (maneuvers). This is not an appropriate comparison, wizard spells should be compared to fighter class abilities, those being extra attacks, 2 extra ASIs, 2nd wind, action surge, indomitable, fighting styles ...... that is what should be compared to spells If you are going to compare something to battlemaster maneuvers, it needs to be a wizard subclass feature and the only wizard subclass that has anything even close to what a battlemaster gets with subclass is the bladesinger. [/QUOTE]
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