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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8306151" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>That is not true. He is not automatically more complex.</p><p></p><p>The champion has built-in limited use abilities to keep track of such as action surge, 2nd wind and indomitable. Add other things like racial spells, battle master maneuvers from his fighting style or luck dice and spells from feats and it is quite possible to build a very complex champion. Also if you build a champion like that it can be all over the map with different abilities going into different feats and spells and short rest vs long rest mechanics making it more difficult to track than a simply built wizard.</p><p></p><p>At 12th level dwarf illusionist that has taken 3 ASIs has 16 spell slots to keep track of and they are all based on intelligence, he has to keep track of arcane recovery and illusury self as once a day uses too.</p><p></p><p>A 12th level drow champion CAN have 2 spells based on charisma, 2 more on intelligence and 2 more on wisdom while also having 3 luck dice and 2 battle master maneuver dice to use on 3 different battlemaster maneuvers. Then like every other fighter he has to keep track of action surge, indomitable and 2nd wind uses .... and that is off the top of my head, it may not be the most complex build possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8306151, member: 7030563"] That is not true. He is not automatically more complex. The champion has built-in limited use abilities to keep track of such as action surge, 2nd wind and indomitable. Add other things like racial spells, battle master maneuvers from his fighting style or luck dice and spells from feats and it is quite possible to build a very complex champion. Also if you build a champion like that it can be all over the map with different abilities going into different feats and spells and short rest vs long rest mechanics making it more difficult to track than a simply built wizard. At 12th level dwarf illusionist that has taken 3 ASIs has 16 spell slots to keep track of and they are all based on intelligence, he has to keep track of arcane recovery and illusury self as once a day uses too. A 12th level drow champion CAN have 2 spells based on charisma, 2 more on intelligence and 2 more on wisdom while also having 3 luck dice and 2 battle master maneuver dice to use on 3 different battlemaster maneuvers. Then like every other fighter he has to keep track of action surge, indomitable and 2nd wind uses .... and that is off the top of my head, it may not be the most complex build possible. [/QUOTE]
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