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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8306161" data-attributes="member: 23751">With all of that(and fighting styles don't grant BM maneuvers) he has not even a 10th of the complexity of a Wizard or Cleric.&nbsp; A 10th level Wizard is going to have 15 spell slots plus 5 cantrips selected from a minimum of 10 spells(probably more like 14), and those 14 selected from his spellbook which will have a minimum 24 spells in it.&nbsp; The combinations of spells and slots is going to be staggering compared to the very, very tame small number of options a Champion has.&nbsp; A Cleric is far worse since his &quot;spellbook&quot; comprises all Cleric spells.16 spell slots X the minimum of 10 prepared spells = a huge number of options.&nbsp; Does he upcast things or not.&nbsp; Which of his prepares spells does he use, when. And he faces more options when deciding what to prepare for the day.&nbsp; That dwarfs the very limited number of choices a Champion faces.The fighting styles don't give BM maneuvers, unless that's in another book other than the PHB, which can't be assumed.&nbsp; And even with all of that,&nbsp; you still don't even come remotely close to the 10th level Wizard, let alone a 12th level one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8306161, member: 23751"] With all of that(and fighting styles don't grant BM maneuvers) he has not even a 10th of the complexity of a Wizard or Cleric. A 10th level Wizard is going to have 15 spell slots plus 5 cantrips selected from a minimum of 10 spells(probably more like 14), and those 14 selected from his spellbook which will have a minimum 24 spells in it. The combinations of spells and slots is going to be staggering compared to the very, very tame small number of options a Champion has. A Cleric is far worse since his "spellbook" comprises all Cleric spells. 16 spell slots X the minimum of 10 prepared spells = a huge number of options. Does he upcast things or not. Which of his prepares spells does he use, when. And he faces more options when deciding what to prepare for the day. That dwarfs the very limited number of choices a Champion faces. The fighting styles don't give BM maneuvers, unless that's in another book other than the PHB, which can't be assumed. And even with all of that, you still don't even come remotely close to the 10th level Wizard, let alone a 12th level one. [/QUOTE]

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