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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8306284" data-attributes="member: 23751">Not in this case.&nbsp; The cast majority of class features the Champion gets are static, like crit on 19-20.&nbsp; No choice is involved.&nbsp; The spellcasting feature gives HUGE amounts of choice and complexity.&nbsp; Dwarfing the Champion.So feats cannot be used, since they are an optional rule that must be added in, so they cannot be assumed in a valid comparison.&nbsp; Race is useless to add in, since no matter what you add in to the Champion, the Wizard can have it too, so it does nothing to show which class is more complex than the other.Class yes.&nbsp; Subclass, no.&nbsp; At best, I'll give you a Champion of moderate complexity, and that's with your feats, battlemaster maneuvers and Drow abilities.&nbsp; There is no Wizard that's as low as moderate.This is a Strawman.&nbsp; Nobody, especially not me, has argued that they can only swing a sword.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8306284, member: 23751"] Not in this case. The cast majority of class features the Champion gets are static, like crit on 19-20. No choice is involved. The spellcasting feature gives HUGE amounts of choice and complexity. Dwarfing the Champion. So feats cannot be used, since they are an optional rule that must be added in, so they cannot be assumed in a valid comparison. Race is useless to add in, since no matter what you add in to the Champion, the Wizard can have it too, so it does nothing to show which class is more complex than the other. Class yes. Subclass, no. At best, I'll give you a Champion of moderate complexity, and that's with your feats, battlemaster maneuvers and Drow abilities. There is no Wizard that's as low as moderate. This is a Strawman. Nobody, especially not me, has argued that they can only swing a sword. [/QUOTE]

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