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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8306765" data-attributes="member: 7015698">The Illusionist has the Minor Illusion cantrip. They can do it all day long and whenever they want and they'll feel like an illusionist. The Battlemaster has no equivalent options. That's it, that's all I need to say to prove than an Illusionist can be an Illusionist all the time while a Battlemaster is that only part time. His tools proficiency could have been gotten from anywhere so it's not something unique or linked to the reality of being a Battlermaster, it's just a random perks they get that anybody could get with a little investment. Heck, you can learn tool proficiency with sufficient downtime according to Xanathar, right? So that 'feature' of the battle master is just worth like a month or training or however long it takes to get that. It's cheap as hell is what I'm saying. Making stuff with Alchemist tools is very dependant on your DM and available ressources and... SURPRISE! Most of the stuff you make is combat related. It has very little use as out of combat problem solving unless you want to burn something down.Now there's an interesting question: is there ANYTHING a Fighter does outside of combat that can't be replicated by another class? Is there a single out of combat thing that you can look at and say "Oh yeah, that's a Fighter feature."? Or is it all just skill and tool proficiency any random Rogue can get and be better at?I'd be worried optional healing would just make magical healing even more powerful and important.I think the argument is that they've crammed way too many concepts into the Fighter class. If the Wizard, Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer and Warlock can all be separate class, there is no reason that every single 'guy with a sword' trope has to fit neatly into Fighter (or Fighter, Rogue and Barbarian). I've come up with 8 subclasses for my Warlord and I'm an amateur designer. Somehow the former trained soldier and the Chosen One who just picked up a sword are the same thing at level 1? Why should that be the case? I think the Fighter would benefit from being defined by its more formal training (compared to a wilder Barbarian and an underhanded Rogue) and another class could pick up the slack of the nobody.That's 'fait accompli' btw</blockquote>

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