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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8307308" data-attributes="member: 7015698"><p>Alchemist Tools are not a Batlemaster feature, they're a random tool anybody else can get and be just as good as the Battlemaster. If I use my Alchemist Tools,<em> I'm not being a Battlemaster</em>, I'm just <em>a guy who is proficient in Alchemist Tools</em>. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not optimal at all, but the Illusionist COULD spend all their action doing illusions if they wanted. They CAN, not necessarily that they WILL. </p><p></p><p>The Battlemaster doesn't not have that option, even if they have plenty of other things they would want to do that aren't linked to their subclass, they wouldn't be able to do it anyway. </p><p></p><p>The fact is that there's a point in the day where the Battlemaster is no longer a Battlemaster while the guy who likes to do illusion magic never reaches that point. Even if his cantrip are no match for his levelled spell, a clever player can still leverage Minor Illusion to feel like a master of illusions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Commanding Presence is a decent one, but it took how many YEARS for that to come out? 5? And it's not part of the Fighter's base class feature.</p><p></p><p>Remarkable Athlete is not remarkable at all and you're better off arguing for your Athletics Proficiency when you need to do a STR check. I'll concede that it exists but it's hardly a defining feature of the Fighter class, it's a forgettable ribbon of one subclass. I completely forgot it even existed. </p><p></p><p>Indomitable, Born to the Saddle and Great Stature are all mostly combat oriented features. Know your enemy only tells you stuff related to combat so it might as well count, even if you use it outside of combat ormally. Elegant Courtier is just the name of a feature that just gives out plain old proficiencies anybody else can get. It's a nice ribbon to have but it's hardly a signature ability and it's name means nothing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8307308, member: 7015698"] Alchemist Tools are not a Batlemaster feature, they're a random tool anybody else can get and be just as good as the Battlemaster. If I use my Alchemist Tools,[I] I'm not being a Battlemaster[/I], I'm just [I]a guy who is proficient in Alchemist Tools[/I]. It's not optimal at all, but the Illusionist COULD spend all their action doing illusions if they wanted. They CAN, not necessarily that they WILL. The Battlemaster doesn't not have that option, even if they have plenty of other things they would want to do that aren't linked to their subclass, they wouldn't be able to do it anyway. The fact is that there's a point in the day where the Battlemaster is no longer a Battlemaster while the guy who likes to do illusion magic never reaches that point. Even if his cantrip are no match for his levelled spell, a clever player can still leverage Minor Illusion to feel like a master of illusions. Commanding Presence is a decent one, but it took how many YEARS for that to come out? 5? And it's not part of the Fighter's base class feature. Remarkable Athlete is not remarkable at all and you're better off arguing for your Athletics Proficiency when you need to do a STR check. I'll concede that it exists but it's hardly a defining feature of the Fighter class, it's a forgettable ribbon of one subclass. I completely forgot it even existed. Indomitable, Born to the Saddle and Great Stature are all mostly combat oriented features. Know your enemy only tells you stuff related to combat so it might as well count, even if you use it outside of combat ormally. Elegant Courtier is just the name of a feature that just gives out plain old proficiencies anybody else can get. It's a nice ribbon to have but it's hardly a signature ability and it's name means nothing. [/QUOTE]
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