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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8307782" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I think that's true.What I don't understand is why you feel the Warlock's Mechanics don't make sense for a Warlock?  Pact Bonuses + Invocations + Strong Cantrips + 'Lesser Spellcasting' seems to mechanically fit that concept just fine to me.What I don't understand is why you feel Sorcerer Mechanics don't make sense for a Sorcerer?  Full Spellcasting + Metamagic seems to mechanically fit the concept of innately magical caster to me.I think the problem is that we are dealing with magical fantasy concepts that can be justified any way we want to justify them.  Which is to say - I can see the sorcerer  mechanically functioning differently or the warlock or the wizard, etc.  But I wouldn't say any particular implementation makes more sense.  I think there might be some implementations that make no sense - like forcing innately magical casters into a class that requires a spell book to cast.Perhaps you dislike these things for a different reason than you are expressing you do - that's pretty common for people actually.What I find is that most of what people liked about Warlords seems to me to require a 4e style very balanced and tactical mechanical system to implement.  The other thing I find people liked about warlords was that they tended to be more powerful than many classes.  When built properly they could cause more damage than other attack based classes on an attack - As they could always do the highest party members basic attack + int mod in damage.  I think some of what some people liked about them was that OPness.I personally liked the martial healer/inspiring take on warlords in 4e.  But it seems that view of Warlords isn't a very popular one - and it's a pity as it's one I think there could be some room to further develop for 5e as there's an actual theme there.  Leadery Martial.  But Warlords always get burdened with specific 4e implementations as there's no specific concept involved around the mechanics people liked and so its just an emerging playstyle based solely on 4e mechanics that people fell in love with.</blockquote>

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