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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8307926" data-attributes="member: 7019027">4e is a completely separate system, though. Mechanical design in one aspect cannot automatically and accurately transfer to this edition.Putting aside the powers system, there's also 5e's bounded accuracy and a stricter action economy.While I can see that these mechanics would be different, they aren't distinct. So Warlord will just fall as just another support class that does the same thing as other classes differently.Putting it another way:Paladins don't just swing swords and cast spells. They're unique because while they support, they have a myriad of features that bolster their allies while they are around them.Sorcerers don't just cast arcane spells. They're unique because they have a more granular control over their resources while being able to modify their spells.Bards don't just support and cast spells, they're unique because they have access to a spell list that emphasizes &quot;jack-of-all-trade&quot; styles. Having healing spells that divine classes specialize in and having arcane spells that wizards/sorcerers specialize in (teleportation/control/utility).The question is: What is the Warlord's identity? &quot;Better Battlemaster&quot; isn't a good identity because its entirely based on a different class.Warlord's identity, to me, should be something no other class can lay claim to, at least mechanically. It shouldn't feel like another class but better/worse.<h4>How about this, then?</h4>Warlord has the ability to allow classes to take instantaneous short/long rests along with itself. Every long rest, it can use an action to let it and creatures it chooses within 100ft of it to feel the effects of a short rest. It can scale based off Charisma/Wisdom or just statically like a barbarian's Rage feature.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8307926, member: 7019027"] 4e is a completely separate system, though. Mechanical design in one aspect cannot automatically and accurately transfer to this edition. Putting aside the powers system, there's also 5e's bounded accuracy and a stricter action economy. While I can see that these mechanics would be [I]different[/I], they aren't [I]distinct[/I]. So Warlord will just fall as just another support class that does the same thing as other classes differently. Putting it another way: Paladins don't just swing swords and cast spells. They're unique because while they support, they have a myriad of features that bolster their allies while they are around them. Sorcerers don't just cast arcane spells. They're unique because they have a more granular control over their resources while being able to modify their spells. Bards don't just support and cast spells, they're unique because they have access to a spell list that emphasizes "jack-of-all-trade" styles. Having healing spells that divine classes specialize in and having arcane spells that wizards/sorcerers specialize in (teleportation/control/utility). The question is: What is the Warlord's identity? "Better Battlemaster" isn't a good identity because its entirely based on a different class. Warlord's identity, to me, should be something no other class can lay claim to, at least mechanically. It shouldn't feel like another class but better/worse. [HEADING=3]How about this, then?[/HEADING] Warlord has the ability to allow classes to take instantaneous short/long rests along with itself. Every long rest, it can use an action to let it and creatures it chooses within 100ft of it to feel the effects of a short rest. It can scale based off Charisma/Wisdom or just statically like a barbarian's Rage feature. [/QUOTE]

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