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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8309416" data-attributes="member: 53980">Speaking as someone whose group regularly plays well into the teens (all the way up to 19th level), I don't entirely agree with this.In terms of depth, fighters and rogues can hold their own against casters all day. A high level martial character is a demon on the battlefield (and the rogue's skills can do plenty off the battlefield as well).I think their issue, such as it is, is breadth. Casters, as they level, gain breadth and depth. They get stronger spells, and they get more of them. Martials, primarily gain depth. They don't really get much more that they can do, they just get better at doing what they already do well.While this is imbalanced in one sense, it isn't really imbalanced. There was another edition of D&amp;D where, when I experienced it, the martials were an afterthought. If they hadn't shown up that night, I doubt the casters would have noticed. And you could tell that the martial character players weren't exactly enthralled by the disparity. 5e isn't like that IME. Martial characters are very good at high levels, and if they're missing for a session you will most definitely note their absence.Don't get me wrong. I would very much love to see high level martials as mythic, based on archetypes such as Beowulf. That would go a long way towards giving them the breadth they lack. However, as it stands I don't think they are unbalanced per se. Just more limited than their caster counterparts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 8309416, member: 53980"] Speaking as someone whose group regularly plays well into the teens (all the way up to 19th level), I don't entirely agree with this. In terms of depth, fighters and rogues can hold their own against casters all day. A high level martial character is a demon on the battlefield (and the rogue's skills can do plenty off the battlefield as well). I think their issue, such as it is, is breadth. Casters, as they level, gain breadth and depth. They get stronger spells, and they get more of them. Martials, primarily gain depth. They don't really get much more that they can do, they just get better at doing what they already do well. While this is imbalanced in one sense, it isn't really imbalanced. There was another edition of D&D where, when I experienced it, the martials were an afterthought. If they hadn't shown up that night, I doubt the casters would have noticed. And you could tell that the martial character players weren't exactly enthralled by the disparity. 5e isn't like that IME. Martial characters are very good at high levels, and if they're missing for a session you will most definitely note their absence. Don't get me wrong. I would very much love to see high level martials as mythic, based on archetypes such as Beowulf. That would go a long way towards giving them the breadth they lack. However, as it stands I don't think they are unbalanced per se. Just more limited than their caster counterparts. [/QUOTE]

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