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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 8309615" data-attributes="member: 6687260">What do we mean by Balance here?&nbsp; Everyone just assumes combat.&nbsp; Fighters are pretty much fine in combat.Take the following situations for a level 17 party.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You need to find the location of the prison of the fallen Angel who stole the key to the dead gods prison.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You need to negotiate with one of the major powers of the planes to find out how you can get in and out of this prison.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You need to research how the dead god was killed and imprisoned the last time he threatened the multiverse, which also means finding the one library in the multiverse where record of him has not been wiped from existence.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Once you reach the prison of the fallen Angel you need to find your way through the magical labyrinth created by the Lady of Pain, out of the fallen Angels own shame and past to reach it's centre.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">In order to do all of the above the party must plane hop and travel to diverse locations.</li>
</ul>How many of these encounters/ situations can the Fighter usefully contribue to?These are the sort of situations the 3e tier system had in mind when the tier system was made.&nbsp; It certainly wasn't just about combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 8309615, member: 6687260"] What do we mean by Balance here? Everyone just assumes combat. Fighters are pretty much fine in combat. Take the following situations for a level 17 party. [LIST] [*]You need to find the location of the prison of the fallen Angel who stole the key to the dead gods prison. [*]You need to negotiate with one of the major powers of the planes to find out how you can get in and out of this prison. [*]You need to research how the dead god was killed and imprisoned the last time he threatened the multiverse, which also means finding the one library in the multiverse where record of him has not been wiped from existence. [*]Once you reach the prison of the fallen Angel you need to find your way through the magical labyrinth created by the Lady of Pain, out of the fallen Angels own shame and past to reach it's centre. [*]In order to do all of the above the party must plane hop and travel to diverse locations. [/LIST] How many of these encounters/ situations can the Fighter usefully contribue to? These are the sort of situations the 3e tier system had in mind when the tier system was made. It certainly wasn't just about combat. [/QUOTE]

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